Q&A: Damnation and Eternal Torments for Our Children and Beloved Ones is "True" and "Good" but Salvation for Everyone is "Evil" and a "Heresy"?

Introduction: My response is found below. Even if you do not agree with me which is understandable, since people fear being damned, and of being disobedient to something they "think" they must adhere too (no one must adhere to an injustice!), you will at least see and acknowledge in your conscience that my position is more good, noble and honorable than God's, since he wishes souls to be damned whereas I do not! You also do not want your own children, mother or father, friend, neighbour etc. to be damned, but is only forced to accept such a position through force – unless you care to stand up to a justice above God's "justice", that is, of wanting to do more good than God himself! Just as good humans help other humans on earth and desire their good, love and happiness, even if they are evil, so are we obliged to help and wish good – and not eternal torments – on those that God allows to be damned.

However, I have been told several times that all will be saved in the end, and that God has changed his position on Hell. This makes me happy, and I hope (and believe) this is true because it is just, but the fact that God, the Bible, the Church and Saints still teaches Hell and damnation angers me. Also, most Catholics don't give me any comfort either, but only tells me I am deceived, that I will go to Hell, and that there is a Hell and that many or even most humans are lost. Perhaps I should speak less about that God is evil and that he is good, just ignoring Hell completely or just say God forgives everyone like many in the Vatican II does? Then less people would take offence. But how then would those who think Hell is "just" see that it is evil unless someone harshly condemns it? That is why I condemn Hell and God (just as I would any dictator) if he now truly condemns souls for all eternity, since it is evil to do so and against all laws, both human, natural and divine, but it won't make much difference to those that won't change position anyway.

Nataly Ferreira: “Save Mary. Jerome the devil is deceiving you, causing you to follow your conscience (your own self). And still blaspheming against the Holy Trinity. The Virgin Mary would never accept these kinds of behavior offending her Creator.

If hell exists, it is not because God wants us to play there to suffer. The condemnation is just because we deserve it by obeying our fallen and rebellious flesh, instead of obeying the spirit. In his [my] arguments I have seen nothing mentioned about demons, Satan and Lucifer the Prince of Darkness. Or in your consciousness they ceased to exist too, and turned around are just fiction?

You are in a big mistake, worse than a heresy. For he blasphemes God, saying that he is evil, that he is not perfect. Look at the nonsense you're talking about?

In your article, you have many contradictions.

What happened to you during these absent times? Have you prayed the rosary? For the serpent is deceived.

Please read the articles on your site again, to get out of the darkness of error and revive the faith that moved the Saints.

Heaven is for the violent, violent toward their flesh and passions. Blessedness, penance, prayer, and Faith had not been reached in bliss.

Your conscience will not save you, but now at this moment what may bring you into the state of grace is the confession of your sins. We get nothing with the power of the mind, that is diabolical, they are temptations of the new age, of the Antichrist. For in this thought it makes us to be "god" of ourselves.

You will be in my prayers to wake up in this deep sleep that you live, thinking that everything will cease to exist through your consciousness. And that Mary is God ...

I am sad because the devil managed to deceive a great fighter of the true Faith. This Faith that moved many Saints to true happiness.”

Jerome: What a sad faith the Catholic faith is according to some. Damnation and eternal torments of our children is "true" and "good" but salvation for everyone is "evil" and "heresy"! It is like an apostasy, i.e., complete withdrawal from the true faith, which is to do good and to work for the salvation, love and happiness for all of our children even if God does not!

And you did not respond to almost anything, no arguments was answered, no points responded too. Nothing! When I answer someone, I usually make mention of all important points and arguments and gives some answer. You did not do this. For example, how would you answer the arguments that you would not damn or ALLOW TO DE DAMNED your own children? Why then excuse a God who does this (i.e., allows to be damned and eternally tormented his and our children) when he could look the other way around, or just let them live on earth for all eternity rather than damning anyone?

And what is the worst blasphemy or who is the worst blasphemer: am I the worst blasphemer for complaining against God and calling him evil for allowing billions and billions of children, men, women, elderly, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers to be damned and remain damned in a SEA OF FIRE AND ETERNAL TORMENTS? or is God the worst blasphemer against all justice, love and forgiveness for allowing them to live in damnation, without hope, without love, in unhappiness and insufferable torments? You call me a blasphemer because I want to save those God damns and because I condemn him and call him evil for his deed! and you call God “good” for damning our children, mothers and fathers even though damnation is the worst of evils that has ever happened (even worse than Hitler, or Satan himself)!

Those who are Christians will sadly only see evil in wanting our children to be saved, and they will do all to excuse the God who allows our children to be damned and tormented forever – only because they fear being persecuted, or fear being damned for standing up against an injustice (i.e., Hell).

Again, you also avoided my arguments that you would never ALLOW and wish eternal damnation or insufferable torments on your own children. Yet you seem to think God is somehow innocent concerning Hell, as if he could not make it not to happen. As if he could not create a better place for the damned. ANSWER: WOULD YOU BE EVIL IF YOU ALLOWED YOUR OWN CHILDREN TO BE ETERNALLY TORMENTED, AND YOU DID NOT HINDER IT? Honest answer: Yes you would! You know what judgment the world does on those bad parents that can't take care of their own children, or that allows or permits evil upon them. They will be sent to jail and loose their children. Yet God is judged differently by you. Yet you would easily condemn a human being for neglecting and tormenting his own children, but you do not dare to condemn God for doing the same! This thinking, of not judging God and just excusing him, whatever he does or teaches, is evil and hypocritical.

Do you really think the damned must be damned and be tormented and there is no other way and that God is innocent? What kind of mother are you to think only torments, pain, suffering, no hope and no love for all eternity must be the lives for billions of children – for our beloved brothers and sisters that can be loved – just because God said so? Should you not at least show your true motherly side and acknowledge that this is not your will and that you do not want this, and that you do not agree with God, but that you can't help it since you are forced to accept this doctrine? That would be more honest. But the only thing I have heard from you is that I am deceived, that I am a true blasphemer and heretic (i.e., damned) etc. No true mother truly wants any child to be damned or tormented, yet believe it or not, but there are actual records of even 5 year old children in hell burning and being tormented. Do you still think Hell should exist or that there are no other solutions or that Hell is "just" or that God will get away with this, for all eternity too? I refuse to believe this, and I can assure you, when we die we will see that it is God who was wrong and who will humble himself!

*Update: In her latest response (which made me happy) she acknowledge that she do not want her own children to be damned, and that she would wish there was forgiveness for the damned, but that Hell is a Revelation, and hence, according to her, it must be believed. This answer is honest, and she followed her conscience with this response, for she was honest according to her conscience when she acknowledged that she desires there be hope for the damned.*

If you read my article you will have read many answers as to why there need to be no Hell, and why they could have been saved and lived in happiness and why God commits mortal sin by not having thought of something better for the damned (if Hell now is real and not only a true scare tactic). Would it be hard to let all the damned live on earth in a human body and hence make them live in human happiness instead of damnation? Of course not! Do humans want to live in torments and unhappiness? Certainly not! So the argument that they are always evil and can't be good is false, because they had goodness in them while they lived on earth. My judgment – which would be shared by all who have reason and love true justice above God's will if his will is evil – (if I had God's place) would be that they could live on earth instead (if they don't want to live in Heaven or we can't get along), but I also do believe that Heaven even is for them and that they can become good.

If you have not, read my updated email to you in this blogpost below (it contains a lot more than what I sent to you originally):

https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-answer-as-to-why-i-condemn-hell-and-god.html

I did not mention devils or demons because it does not matter. They exist, but they have become, or will be good in my belief, since I have given them hope and forgiveness, so they are my friends. Do you think I want even the devil to be damned? No, I wish his salvation and happiness, and I will fight for that all the damned will be saved. And in my belief and in that of Origen, everyone will be saved in the end. Yes everyone, and that includes the devil. What is hard to believe with that the devil himself could make himself become like a little child and start to love if he was only forgiven and was granted happiness and love? How can demons love or have hope if they are only tormented and live without hope? Can't you see that they are forced to hate? If you don't believe me, try to torment yourself or be tormented by someone in insufferable torments, and then tell me what you think and if you are happy with this life or if you start to fell an urge to hate! If someone tormented you and you had no hope and you could not bear it, and you thought this would endure forever and there was no hope and you received no consolation from anyone, you will start to hate. Can one live in insufferable torments and not start to hate when one cannot bear it? Even I would have started to hate God and even Mary if I was always tormented in insufferable torments and I had no hope of being released. Not that I want to hate, but if one is not forgiven or granted love or happiness, it only seems natural to start to hate those who deny you this happiness. Hence Hell is evil, since it forces us to hate. Without love and hope, there is only darkness and hate.

I only did not mention demons because God is the ultimate cause for their fall and damnation, since he could have thought of something else, like a prison without eternal torments, or a holding place until they had become good, or even an eternal earth were they could always live as humans so they could feel love, and be loved etc. I see God as the biggest demon here for damning and allowing to be damned his own children, and not the demons themselves that fell or damned humans (they did wrong, but no crime deserves eternal torments). Besides, humans can be good on earth and love and be happy but are denied this goodness and happiness and love for all eternity in Hell, just because God wants this. Think of this, even humans that have loved, been good etc. have been damned, according to God and Saints just because they made some mistake, such as obstinately not confessing their sins due to shame (there are many examples of this). So what does it tell us? It tells us that they can love, but are denied love. This is evil. Let them live on earth always instead than tormenting them. What is hard with that? And remember, this is only one solution of many that I have thought of that would be better then Hell!

Mary is not God, but she is better then God and might become God (I have also said that perhaps she is God since she is better than God* or may become God or take his place). Do you not understand my argument? God is unworthy of his title, hence, someone else will probably receive his place. How can we let God remain God with his powers, if he wants to always torment his own children or damn anyone? Hence, God needs to be deprived of his powers so that he can not hurt anyone anymore. Would an earthly judge have judged in the same way? Obviously, yes! They already makes such judgments all the time, i.e., depriving unworthy parents their children if they are bad parents and hurt their children.

* I have wondered, sometimes, if Mary perhaps could be a God in hiding even if she don't know this yet, and that the "God" now in heaven is someone else who is actually evil but who thought he could do better or be the true God. But this “God” has failed, since he wishes to damn souls, whereas Mary desires all to be saved. That is my belief, that Mary will desire all souls to be saved in the end, and that she in fact has done so already. I don't see a problem in thinking about who might or might not be God when the “God” we think is God in imperfect and evil in wanting to damn his own and our children. We would not allow a human person near our children who allows or permits small children and men and women to be tormented and murdered, yet we think all is well with God who permits even worse – i.e., eternal torments and damnation? If God could loose his Godhood title, I would deprive him of it, and I would gladly take it to myself if no one else wanted this title, not because I am good or God, but because I would desire that no evil (such as Hell or damnation and eternal torments and unhappiness) may ever again happen to our children, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, friends or enemies! If no one else will do it, then I will gladly do it and take God's place in order to prevent this dictator from ever damning (or allowing to be damned) anyone again!

Stop being a hypocrite. Had I done the same or thought the same against an earthly ruler that is an evil ruler and a dictator that torments his own children or human beings in concentration camps, such as the dictator of North Korea, then you would have called me good, noble, honorable, and the whole world would love me, even the Christians and Catholics. But if I desire to do the same with God, i.e., deprive him of his powers so that he can do no more evil, then only the Christians and Catholics complain, whereas the world and unbelievers, (and also the Christians eventually), will praise me. Do you not see the hypocritical thinking here? I am evil for doing and thinking good and about something better, and God is good for doing evil and damning souls and I am evil for desiring his evil to cease, whereas God is good for allowing this evil to continue – even though you all know in your conscience it is an evil thing to damn and torment one's own children, without love, without hope, without happiness, for all eternity!

If you could only see the damned being converted and being forgiven, and being saved from this torment and fire, you would cry of happiness and feelings of love and forgiveness and hope, and so would they. There are even children in Hell, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, neighbours etc. that all could live a better eternity, but is denied this by an evil God dictator. I have sometimes wondered if the Devil fell because he wanted to do more good than God himself, and if perhaps the Devil wanted God's place because he desired to do more good than God himself, such as wanting those more disobedient or "sinners" to live in happiness instead, or in an earthly life for all eternity (anything but damnation, really). If this was the case, then this “God” was the evil person from the beginning, whereas the Devil was good.

We will all se at the judgment what was the truth. We will also see the truth about the Devil – if he was truly evil in his thought – but if he would do more good then God (such as not damning anyone and letting us be happy like a large family), why did not God just fall and let him have his place? God must have known from eternity that he would damn souls! Did he know the devil would not do this if he had received God's place? If so, then the Devil would have been more deserving then God, since a just and good ruler (even if he is a bad person) does not only see to the good and the welfare of his own children, but to all his subjects. (I am not saying the Devil would have done better, I am only speculating, for when God has done such an evil thing as Hell and eternal torments and damnation, I cannot but think that God is imperfect in every way and evil if he does not change position.)

You also say my conscience will not save me, as if an injustice is above a true justice or clean conscience. If God has a bad conscience concerning Hell but I have not, who will fall? If I have more right then God himself concerning the damned and I desire their happiness whereas God does not, who will fall? me or him? If we are honest, we can see that it is God who will fall since he is wrong. But I will not damn him, but forgive him, since I desire forgiveness and happiness for everyone. How can God resist my good thought, even if God is God, when my thought, my conscience, my justice, is good, and even according to everyone else's conscience – if they are but honest? Why else does not the world judge as unmerciful as God does? That is because they know it is evil to torment others. Why do you think Vatican II has distanced itself from Hell? Because they know it is evil to damn our children. That is why Vatican II follow their conscience by desiring good upon all men, whereas the pre-Vatican II Church did not to this to the same extent.

If God is truly just, he must fall and allow us humans and other saints our will of not damning anyone for all eternity, for I am not the only person who do not want this (who do not want damnation). Most if not all saints while they lived on earth desired the salvation of everyone, even though they believed this might not be the case. Why then deny them this happiness of having everyone saved? No one wants damnation and we have only been pre-programmed to think there must be damnation. Also, no just judge on earth would agree with God on this point of Hell and eternal torments, why then deny all human justice and let God be a dictator? Is God truly just or a just God if he denies all human law and justice and allows himself to be a dictator, wishing evil upon children, men women and elderly when all men do not agree with this judgment?

If there was a movie were an evil dictator like God was deprived of his power and those damned children saved from a Hell (like with Hitler and the concentration camps) then you would cry and be happy that this evil man was hindered and prevented from doing evil, and you would be happy over the tormented people's release and salvation and forgiveness. But when it comes to God and his heaven or hell, then you do not dare to think like this, and you will only let God have his will, even damning billions and billions of children, elderly, men and women, brothers and sisters etc. and you do not even think a person who fights against God like against Hitler is doing a good and noble deed, BUT RATHER, THAT HE IS EVIL, A HERETIC, AND DECEIVED, as if it is to be "deceived" to desire the eternal happiness and salvation and love for our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers and children.

I have already read my articles, and I can only see truth and goodness in them, since I desire more good then God himself for the damned. I also see no point in writing anymore to you for now, since you only shame yourself by your writings. Can you not see that it is shameful to defend evil (eternal damnation and torments for our children, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters) and that it is a disgrace to condemn goodness (to desire their happiness and forgiveness)? Yet that is what you have done. It's tragic, but understandable. We have been programmed, as Christians, to defend God no matter what, but when I have explained myself so clearly why it is different here, it is shameful to not at least acknowledge that I hold a good cause, i.e. that I wish and desires good.

I understand many become shocked when I call God evil, but even if so is the case, I have explained myself so clearly that no one should wonder about it, since God damns and allows souls and humans to be damned and tormented for ever (therefore, this argument by itself should make them understand something: that there is something seriously wrong with God, hell and heaven). I have been so clear that it is only annoying and angering that Catholics can be so dishonest against their conscience, and that they will just defend God and an evil doctrine such as Hell no matter what. If I was God or had his place and was the same as now, I would not permit anyone of our children to be eternally damned. I can promise you that. This thought by itself should make you happy and make you want me to have God's place (since I would save all souls whereas God does not), but I wonder if you even dare to think this thought. (I would be happy to deprive God of his place if I could and even give you his place if I knew you would do a better job! I can be  totally honest about that, but most Christians can not and they allow evil only because God is God.)

I need to repeat this: I have been told several times that all will be saved in the end, and that God has changed his position on Hell. This makes me happy, and I hope this is true, but the fact that God, the Bible, the Church and Saints still teaches Hell and damnation angers me. Also, most Catholics don't give me any comfort either, but only tells me I am deceived, that I will go to Hell, and that there is a Hell and that many or even most humans are lost. Perhaps I should speak less about that God is evil and that he is good, just ignoring Hell completely or just say God forgives everyone like many in the Vatican II does? Then less people would take offence. But how then would those who think Hell is "just" see that it is evil unless someone harshly condemns it? That is why I condemn Hell and God (just as I would any dictator) if he now truly condemns souls for all eternity, since it is evil to do so and against all laws, both human, natural and divine, but it won't make much difference to those that won't change position anyway.

I will end this for now and we will see what you will respond. I fear you will only respond by ignoring all my arguments, by calling me deceived and a heretic or evil etc. but calling God good or defending him, even if he damns souls, as usual.

For my previous article that she responded too, see:

https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-answer-as-to-why-i-condemn-hell-and-god.html