Q&A: Is “God is omniscient, omnipotent, omni-benevolent”? Is my own written words condemning me? My fifth response to Introibo Ad Altare Dei.

This is my response to Introibo's most recent comment to me, in which he again avoided my questions and also, he did not post my comments in his blog even though he claims not to be afraid of a challenge.

1. Introibo, you did not answer any of my questions once again. This is the fourth time you ignored all my questions. And we both know why: you are afraid to be shown wrong, and to see that I write reasonable, because then it would mean you are wrong, and that your position is unjust (which it also is) and that is the point. That is why you cannot and will not answer the question as to what you would do if you were God and if you would damn people if you had the power of God, or if he lent you his power to do as you please with the damned, what would you do? Would you not forgive them and work on their betterment for all eternity then instead of damning them I asked repeatedly? You never responded. Never! But we all know the answer you would give if you would answer. Hence, God is unjust, because you would not damn anyone yourself because damnation is evil and unjust.

Again, if you were God, you would not damn anyone, but you would work for all eternity that evil people may become good. I know I am right on this, hence you do not even agree with your own God on this, but you only agree with him silently because you think you have to, and because you fear being damned and you are afraid to stand up to true justice because you fear a God who must not be feared on this point.

2. You also took me out of context in order to make me look bad and then you attacked me. This is a common tactic of cowards who have nothing to say, so instead they look for something to take out of context and then give a false reply that is not true or itself taken out of context in order to make the opponent look bad, and then they hope that they can shift the discussion to some other topic or that it will just end, while ignoring the arguments completely, and that is also what you did, for you neither posted my comments on your blog nor answered any single argument or question I asked you except for taking me out of context, and you only make yourself look all the more stupid and dishonest for doing that.

This is how my comment continued, and which you did not show:

“You say God and Hitler is not the same? False, we are all the same, and we all originated from God, and we were all created in his likeness, and besides, my argument was that they are the same in relation to the crimes they perpetuated or still perpetuates, because God, just like Hitler, damns innocent people who have made no real crimes except for transgression against his own will.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-jerome-your-argumentation-is-so-pathetic-fourth-response-to-introibo.html)

So as everyone can see, I merely stated in my comment that their similarity was in doing evil, and not that a man is God in actuality or that they are exactly the same. However, I did point out that man and God are the same in the sense that we came from God, and that he created us in his likeness, but that does not mean I said we are like God or similar to him, because I simply cannot know what God is. But that is not to say I believe God is good of perfect, but neither do I think we are like unto God, unless we think for justice sake, for men can be and are more times more just then God (such as men who do not will or desire the damnation of others, are more just than God).

Also, even if we are not God, that does not mean we cannot be something else more powerful then God, if not by our own justice that exceeds his own, then at least by having received this power from God. For even if God has all the power from himself and we have nothing of ourselves, if God is not completely just and someone is better then him, then it is only right that God shares his power with this other person and makes him more powerful than himself. This is both just and reasonable, for when God is such an unjust God that damns grown ups and children, then it is only right that someone better then him who does not damn others rules the Heaven in true justice, so that no damnation anymore may happen.

So you simply took me out of context, and your intention when doing so was despicable, for all you were after was to make me look bad, and then you hoped to avoid answering my questions and arguments by this tactic, which is truly pathetic.

And also, God is not so good as you know is my position and as you should see if you only understood and was honest about that damning and tormenting others is evil, and you know I don't think highly of God, so no wonder I don't see much difference from God and man when truly just men are better then God and more just, and this argument is true even if God is all powerful and has all the power in himself which man has not, because it is not our fault that man was created by God and that God happened to be unjust. Again, it is not our fault God is unjust, and therefore, it is neither our fault if we in actuality are powerless against God, but if God is just, as he also claims to be, then God is a slave of justice, and hence, God cannot resist justice, and therefore, God cannot truly resist me or those who think like me, since I speak justice and for justice sake in doing our neighbours and loved ones and even enemies well but which God does not, since he not only damns them and does them unwell but also torments them or allows them to be tormented and hence he has become unjust and lost his place. Deposing of unworthy rulers also happens on the earth and this is justice, because it is right, noble and good to protect others from evil people or even evil Gods and their evil influence.

This is what I wrote about this in another place:

“[God] Don't be an unjust fool and eternally damn them, because that is evil. You can give them a prison sentence, but do not eternally damn anyone. In truth, if you refuse to take your work seriously and do not forgive people their offenses, then let me do it and take your place, because I promise you to work for all eternity for bad people's conversion, even if they are evil, because I have hope that even they will and can become good again.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html)

3. “There is no need to waste an hour of your life there, nor do I need to waste my time, because Jerome's OWN WRITTEN WORDS condemn him!”

Answer: You don't want to debate with me, be honest. Otherwise you would take time, even if an article took months to create. Am I right on this?

Besides, you also ignore my questions and arguments all the time. This is also an indication that you do not want to be honest with me or debate this issue honestly and truthfully.

It is easy to debate with others when it goes well for oneself, but in this case, you have not much to say in defence, which is also why you avoid all my arguments and questions and to your own shame, you did it again for my fourth article! That means you have ignored and not answered the same arguments for four articles straight even though I have asked you repeatedly in all of them to be honest and answer, you coward!

Also, try to show how my own words condemns me without taking me out of context, or without just forcing the argument that I call God evil and such or that Christ was a failure and therefore I am deceived etc. (for that is more of a religious issue, but I tried to make this about justice with you instead, but this you ignored), because it is obvious I do this (attack God) from my writings but for a reason, and that is because God is unjust and evil when he damns humans, souls and angels that he could so easily have forgiven, for if he did forgive them and if he did work on their conversion instead, he and all of us would have received their love instead, and not their hatred, which is a better solution then damning them and not wanting to forgive them.

Besides, Criminals on earth are not denied conversion and betterment or forgiveness or even to be released from prison, hence the same rule must be true and be implemented in the next life. Anything else is clearly unjust.

4. “JEROME DECLARES MAN AS GOD”

Answer: There is nothing wrong with this statement if taken in context (which you did not), since “as God” only implies similarities and God also says we are created in his likeness and that we can (and should) become like unto him – so he himself gives similarities. To me it just looks like you wanted to find something to attack me with so that I could look bad, and so you could avoid the discussion with me and then go into hiding, hoping I won't respond, or at least if you do, you just want to make yourself feel good so that you can justify not responding to me, for if I can't get that right, why waste your time, right? But we shall see if you continue debating with me and if you finally answers my questions and arguments.

5. “God is omniscient, omnipotent, omni-benevolent, and eternal. People are NONE of these things.”

Answer: Neither is God any of these (except perhaps eternal and knowing the future), for a God that damns others and torments them is not perfect, is not kind, is not all powerful (such as in justice) but rather the definition of imperfection. Hence God is not perfect, and your argument fails. <b>Just because God claims to be perfect, does not make it true. How can you be so blind and NOT see that this is the truth here? AND YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ARGUMENT THAT SOMETHING IS <i>NOT</i> TRUE JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE CLAIMS IT IS, RIGHT?</b> And then when I also prove God is imperfect, since he damns people such as Children and unconfessed nuns for nothing, you ignore it.

To you, God can be a dictator and murder souls for all eternity in a Concentration Camp even though he easily could forgive them but he does not, and yet he would remain and be perfect to you. You are brainwashes by God and the Bible and the Saints' teachings on God. End of story.

6. “Being made in God's likeness means we have a rational spiritual soul.”

Answer: Yes. But being made in God's likeness means, rather, I would say, that we can share in and take parts of God's glory and power. Hence, God could actually make someone else more powerful then himself by giving his power to him, and even if God could take it back, if God is just and this person deserves this power more, this means God will not do it, since God is undeserving of it. And God does not deserve to rule in his heaven or hell, since he desires to do others evil and damns them, hence, someone more worthy than him will take God's place and be the ruler in the next life, since this soul or person, whomever it is, desires everyone good, even the damned, but which God did not. Therefore, God has fallen from his place, and someone else more worthy than him will receive it. That is my belief, because it is just and follows justice. And the world also depose unworthy rulers, and as in heaven, so also on earth.

7. “Jerome's "God" cannot be the Christian God BY DEFINITION. He cannot be the Supreme Being.”

Answer: Being God or not, he is still unworthy of this title and honor and glory and power, because God does others evil, and desires them to be damned always in a sea of fire and tortures too horrible to even imagine, yet in your blindness, you think this is “good” and “just”, and that God is “perfect” even though he positively wills damnation and that our beloved humans, angels and souls shall remain damned for all eternity, since he never forgives them!

8. “If he can't get that right how can he get anything else right?”

Answer: We shall see if you use this as an excuse to ignore me completely and then end the discussion. Otherwise my answer is that I have not gotten anything wrong, it is just you who take me out of context and ignore my meanings, and you also ignore my questions and arguments, because you have nothing good to say in response to them.

9. “JEROME'S "GOD" IS EVIL (!) … "God" is evil--is it any wonder that Jerome is clueless? His God is not the Christian God.”

Answer: I would answer this argument as Pope Francis answered it: “And I believe in God. Not in a catholic God; a catholic God does not exist; God exists.”

I believe Pope Francis point was that God exists, but not a God that desires others evil or that is not truly universal. That is why, in my belief, Francis made this distinction, and I agree with him. However, I would say I believe in the “Catholic God” (wherever he or she is), because I believe in Universality, but I do not exactly believe in “God” or the “Catholic God” strictly, because when God has such problems to be truly Universal, then he cannot be a “Catholic God”, because “Catholic” means “Universal”. And that is why the only God to me is this God who is truly Universal.

And this is what I wrote to prove the point (and this is the quote he used to show I say God is evil, as if it did not show this!). The quote is extremely good and powerful to bring out this point:

“No, God is not infinitely perfect. How can someone be perfect when he eternally murders souls that all could love, if only given the chance? There exists nothing more imperfect in all eternity than what God has done, and that is a fact. When all the damned converts and starts to love, you will see this truth for yourself, you blind person.”

The fact that the last bolded sentence did not sink into you is really sad, but when they (the damned) do convert and do love even you in the next life and we all are best friends, then you will finally see the truth that damnation was evil and unjust.

10. “JEROME'S "CHRIST" IS NOT THE SAVIOR; HE DIED FOR NOTHING...”

Answer: True, Christ died for nothing, since he died in selfishness and only for his own. You even quoted me, and I will re-quote the same quote, since it is good:

“God only died for the Saved according to his laws anyway, so yes, in a sense he died for nothing because Christ refused to be truly universal and he lets billions be lost, because they are “unworthy” his graces. Do you know what this might mean? That the true Christ perhaps is yet to come, if this other Christ was no the true Christ. Because why would a true God be selfish, and only apply salvation to those who are worthy according to himself? Salvation must be applied according to justice, and not on any personal motives. And according to justice, everyone is worthy of salvation, because everyone can love and become good and give love [but this is denied by God to ever happen in his evil Hell].” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

11. “So there you have it folks! Jerome's "God" is evil. Jerome's God is equal to His creation--so why can't we create things out of nothing--and how did we get here if God is not all-powerful and HE couldn't create us? … If we are the same as God people should be all-powerful. But we are not. That means God is no more powerful than people--but then how did God create the universe and Hell/Heaven??”

Answer: Yes, a God that damns others is evil. No, I did not say exactly that God is equal to creation, because I just can't know this. But I do believe a true God do exists if our Catholic God is not this God, and I have no problem to say that this Catholic God is imperfect in every way and inferior to just men due to the fact of his incredible injustice in damning people to eternal torments. That is a fact. That is why this Catholic/Christian God is just as undeserving as Hitler was, and why they deserves the same punishment.

We also don't know yet what we can do when we are dead, or what power the true God will give to us, so perhaps we will be able to create even from our own power after death. Who knows? Do you know everything about the afterlife? I think not. Therefore, we cannot know everything yet except that God is the originator and source and the creator of us (at least, that is what he claims), and that is all.

12. “The fact is Jerome thinks HE is just and God is not--HE knows better than God. And if his "god" is evil and imperfect then how can Jerome believe there is no Hell? If God is evil, there would be Hell (according to Jerome), yet Jerome claims there is no Hell. (If your head is spinning it should be!) … The fact is, the Christian God Jerome rejects is all good, all knowing and all powerful--the Creator of all. We are imperfect and finite we can never understand His ways because we are NOT His equal, so things will work out for the good, even if we don't understand how because of our limited intellects.”

Answer: I have already showed you many times why God is unjust on the question of Hell, for I gave you several questions in order to prove why God is unjust with his hell, since an honest answer would show that what God does, is not needed or the better solution to do towards damned people, and that is why I asked you several times what you would do if you were God, or if you had power over the damned with God's permission to do as you want. Would you then forgive them or would you torment them and damn them? I said it is obvious you would not damn anyone, but try to convert them to become better men and women again, and hence forgive them. That is only reasonable, and this argument also proves something, that Hell is unjust and that it does not need to be in this way. If you would only answer, you would see the truth for yourself, but so far, you have avoided this argument for fear of offending a God which you must not fear offending, since he is imperfect and commands evil and hence needs to be corrected and rebuked.

I also gave you another argument which also proves the point that God is unjust with his Hell and I am not unjust in condemning him. It was the following:

“ALSO, IF GOD CHANGED POSITION ON HELL, SO WOULD YOU. SO THE ARGUMENT THAT HELL IS “JUST” FALLS FLAT WITH THIS ARGUMENT ALONE. God could not change position on murder or rape, for example, for that would be evil and even you would condemn God if he did that, but with Hell, it is different, for Hell is not a good or just doctrine in itself, but is actually evil; and that is why if God changed position on Hell and this was proven to you, you too would immediately change position – you blind, unjust and evil person!”

Hence, my arguments stands, and they have never been refuted by you.

You also ask how God is evil yet there is no Hell? Do you want to know why? That is because, if you want to believe this, God removed Hell and Limbo because I demanded and commanded him to do so, since I battled with God every day and still do for the salvation of all the angels, humans and souls, and all other living and non-living creatures, such as animals and even stones and trees! Hence, God told me finally that there will be no Hell, and that I was right in my thinking, and he also said that this was just as test in order to see who among his children wanted to be truly just, and who would not want this.

But since I cannot be certain of that this is the case, and since I talk with many spirits, I have also heard this: that it was not a test, and that God was wrong in creating Hell, but that he did not change his position, apparently, until I condemned him and debated with him so much so that he was forced to change position, because when my justice and my thoughts was so good and noble, how could God resist me? He could not, hence he changed and humbled himself.

Now I have answered your question.

P.S.
Someone could ask why I condemn God as evil if he has changed position. First, I am not sure he has, I am just hoping he has done so, but this cannot be proven or known definitively until we have died, and therefore I continue to call God evil, because God, the Bible and the Saints teaches Hell, and even the Church of Vatican II teaches there is a Hell to some extent, so until the Church actually declares God has changed position, I cannot be sure of this, and that is the reason for why I call him evil, since his doctrine on Hell is still evil.

Second, I must also live in the fear of myself being damned after death, and not only me, but also all other persons that would be damned including all the fallen angels and also those in Limbo who are secluded, and this is evil. Therefore, I call God evil, because I cannot know for sure he has actually changed position, but I do believe and hope he has done so, because this is what I have been told.

Third, I also call God evil because of his former evil actions of damning people even if he has changed for the same reason as one could call Hitler evil for what he did and that he did evil even if he had converted and ended in goodness in the end. But again, I cannot know for sure God has changed position, even if I am quite certain and do believe he has done so, since this is the only just position, and since I believe God is just and must adhere to justice, this means he must have changed position. That is my faith, which I believe in, since it is just.

Forth, I also call Hell and God evil because blind people such as yourself defend Hell and God and call it “good” and “just”, but this is not true, hence I must condemn it as evil, for if I did not, I would approve of evil and call evil good, but this I won't do, hence that I condemn both Hell and God as evil, for that is what it truly is.

Q&A: Is our website hacked? Am I deceived? Am I unjust in condemning God and Hell, or is God the one who is unjust?

As the title says it, this discussion, in which the reader completely refused to answer any of my arguments or questions and then even wanted to physically fight with me on the mat since he could not answer me, is about the justice and injustice of Hell and whether or not I am really who I claim to be.

For those who are interested in seeing me debate with a free thinking Traditionalist (note: he is not an Ibranyi adherent, as I previously wrongly stated), please read this conversation.

What is going on here?

Hi there!

I have followed on and off your website http://www.trusaint.com/ for several years, which has supplied some interesting information on various Catholic topics.

I personally am a Catholic Freethinker, so I am not aligned to just one particular group or way of thinking.

I study topics of interest and absorb what is useful and discard what is not.

The thing that confuses me is that it appears you have done a complete turnaround from Traditional to Liberal minded Catholicism.

What has happened here? Has your website been hijacked?

Please explain.

Many thanks.

Best regards,

Ivan

Jerome answers: No, I am Ville and I am the same person as before. My brother, however, is just as obstinate as before and he seems to think almost everyone is damned, including everyone who believes or thinks kissing for sensual pleasure is lawful etc. Do you see now why I changed belief? I refused to be brainwashed by him anymore.

And to explain shortly again as to why I have changed position, that is because damnation is evil, and if you where damned, I would fight for all eternity for your release and salvation. Do you know why? That is, again, because damnation is evil, and because no one wants to be actually damned, but we all want to be happy and live in happiness, why then Believe in or follow damnation?

Therefore, I have embraced Vatican II, which also shares my view and also embraces Universal Salvation. The Church has changed view for a reason, and that is because God has changed position himself. Do you know why? That is because he was wrong on damnation.

God tells us to follow the Church and what they teach, and that is what I am doing. What are you doing? Would you just let your mother or father or best friend be damned, only because one God wanted this and forced them to be even though they don't really want this? No, of course not. Please answer honestly.

I hope you understand better my position now.

Sincerely,

Ville Hietanen.

P.S.

Read the blog articles also, since they explain the situation even better.

https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/08/why-i-no-longer-reject-vatican-ii-or-the-traditional-priests-or-receiving-sacraments-from-them.html

https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html

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Hi Ville!

I thank you very much for your prompt reply. I appreciate this very much regardless of whether or not we share any of the same views.

I simply have found it very difficult as of recently to find much charity when I have attempted contacting some Catholic websites. They either do not answer at all, or respond quickly with only a basic response without answering all questions, then to never respond again. Others may take a couple of weeks in responding, which causes great frustration.

As mentioned in my original email to you I am a Catholic Freethinker, and I think this bothers many parties because all they want to do is to scare people into thinking that everyone else is wrong and that they are right, so they can maintain a healthy business of selling their propaganda such as books, dvds etc .

Due to me being a Traditionalist of the Sedevacantist type, I certainly am able to see big problems in the Catholic Church in regards to moral or dogmatic issues. No two Traditionalists can seem to agree on all topics, they simply accuse each other of heresy at every point of the way. This is disgusting.

You mentioned the issue of sensual kissing. I personally cannot believe that after 2000 years this very basic moral issue has not been sorted, causing many couples to have scruples in regards to sex in general. We were all born into this world through sex except Jesus Himself.

In regards to what sexual acts are allowed in marriage the simple answer should be to simply imagine the parents of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saints Anne and Joachim. I am certain they never had any scruples in regards to sex, as they would have regarded it as a holy act, but I am 100 percent sure they did not defile the marriage bed with things such as the unholy acts of oral sex or anal sex. Simple Chastity logic.

As for Universal Salvation, I am not going to argue against any of your beliefs. I simply wish to inspire you with the ability to be a Freethinker. I simply look forward to the Catholic Church being resurrected from the dead according to the many hundreds of prophecies which talk about this happening. There will arise both a Great Catholic Monarch and Angelic Shepherd (True Pope). I encourage you to study these prophecies, as there is mention of a great Vatican Council (Vatican 3) which will once and for all settle all disputes. ” Roma locuta; causa finita est” – Saint Augustine.

Till then as the great martial artist Bruce Lee stated, “Research your own experience. Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own.”

Best regards,

Ivan

Jerome answers: Hi Ivan, thanks for your reply. You talk about people not answering questions and being happy about me answering yours (I always try to answer questions, since I am not afraid to know the truth and debating arguments) but while I did answer questions, you did not answer mine.

I asked you specifically this question: "God tells us to follow the Church and what they teach, and that is what I am doing. What are you doing? Would you just let your mother or father or best friend be damned, only because one God wanted this and forced them to be even though they don't really want this? No, of course not. Please answer honestly. I hope you understand better my position now." I also clearly made my point on Vatican II known to you, but you never address what you think of Vatican II clearly, if you reject or accept them.

Also, you seem to have indicated that you agree with Markus on sexual issues, such as that simple kisses or touches damns someone? You did not say this directly, but indicated this. If this is your position, this is dusting [disgusting].

You said the Church has sorted out the issue on sexual morality during the past 2000 years. This is not true if you only adhere to the old Church, because they where wrong on many believes, as we can see on the issue with damnation and eternal separation of loved ones only because one obstinate God wanted this. Also, did you know that St. Alphonsus himself approves of sensual kisses and touches whereas Markus obstinately still condemns them, even damning St. Alphonsus to hell for contradicting him? Yes, that is how unreasonable Markus is.

If the issue of sexuality was clear since the 2000 years, St. Alphonsus would not have spoken as he did, if now all the Fathers was right. No, the truth is that almost no one ever listened to those harsh teachings of the fathers (as can be seen with Alphonsus and all other sources he sites and other theologians of the time and earlier and after), because most people knew they where wrong teachings. Sexuality is not as sinful or bad as they portrayed it, as if sexuality which God gave mankind was such a source of eternal temptation leading to damnation.

With regards to oral sex and anal sex. Yes, Anna and Joachim are the ideal of holy sex, and I too can't imagine them having done such acts. But that really has nothing to do with what others do or do not do in their sex acts. As for my own opinion and that of Vatican II, these acts are not sinful if you have a good conscience about them. That is just how the law of conscience works. You will not commit sin with acts that are not sinful in themselves if you believe they are right to do; and these acts are not evil in themselves, since they are about loving and giving love and pleasure to the other spouse you love. And that is all.

Also, if these acts where sinful and damnable even though there is nothing evil in them except a possible transgression against one God, then it would mean most humanity would be damned, since either most perform these acts or at least, believe they can be performed if people like them [the acts]. So, would most people be damned over these issues that in themselves are not evil or sinful only because one God wants this? or is it more possible, as the Church teaches, they are permitted provided the spouses have a good conscience [and they desire to perform those acts], and that God does not judge them as sinful, since he understands the world is not the same anymore.

Also, the law of cleanliness is also the reason for why these acts have become accepted [by society] in other ways than before. Before in time, it was dirty even to kiss since the hygiene was not the same as today. That is why people do things today that before, would have repulsed most people, due to not being as clean as today.

I simply refuse to believe in the harsh God that damn the whole of humanity for committing acts that in themselves are not sinful [or evil] in themselves, but are even love, only because he felt offended. No, God, change your views instead. And that is also what he has done, not only according to me, but according to the Church, that also changes views or positions, or, if you want to see it that way, interprets them better.

I will await your response.

Good day, and may the Blessed Virgin Mary Bless you.

Sincerely,

Ville Hietanen

Hi Ville!

I am a simple man, not a Catholic apologist. I do not have my own Catholic website where I espouse my beliefs, hence, I am not looking at arguing any point of view.

I am merely being polite in answering your questions as a Catholic Freethinker, not as an expert. For this reason, I will be recommending you to study what others have said on various topics of interest as I do not have the brilliant intellect of some individuals.

I am as already mentioned a Catholic Freethinker, who studies what others have to say on various moral or dogmatic issues. From my studies I have seen that no group of those who hold the name Catholic can seem to agree with anything in a unanimous manner.

Your brother Markus falls exactly into the category of having his own Traditional Catholic mini cult, because he is adamant that all of his views are correct. Instead of you yourself absorbing what is wise and true in regards to what he has written and believes on certain topics, you have totally rejected some of his wisdom on for example Why Hell is Eternal. Thus you have created your own Liberal Catholic mini cult.

In regards to sensual kissing, I stated the following in my previous email:

“You mentioned the issue of sensual kissing. I personally cannot believe that after 2000 years this very basic moral issue has not been sorted, causing many couples to have scruples in regards to sex in general. We were all born into this world through sex except Jesus Himself. “

I believe a man who has addressed sexual pleasure in a very level headed manner is Richard Ibranyi. It doesn’t mean that I agree with Mr. Ibranyi on all his other subjects he has written about, but on sexual pleasure, I believe he has done a very good job which explains things such as kissing, touches etc.

See and read his link below.

http://www.johnthebaptist.us/jbw_english/documents/books/rjmi/br68_when_sexual_pleasure_is_good.pdf [I advice no one to read his material. You have been warned! Also, see our article: http://www.trusaint.com/richard-ibranyi-exposed/]

Hence, I do not agree with your brother Markus on every issue, as I believe Mr. Ibranyi has done a much better common sense analysis on sexual pleasure.

As for Vatican 2, well if I stated in my previous email that I was a “Traditionalist of the Sedevacantist type”, this should be enough for you to understand that I do not agree with Vatican 2.

When I mentioned that in prophecies of the future, that there will be an Angelic Shepherd and Vatican Council 3 that will resolve “once and for all settle all disputes”; what does this mean to you?

Are you ignoring the hundreds of prophecies by Saints, Blesseds, Venerables and other pious Catholic souls who talk about this occurrence?

When Vatican 3 condemns Vatican 2 as false, are you still going to be obstinate in holding opposing views, or will you accept it that God has changed his mind again to be more Traditional?

Other people will simply declare you a heretic, but I declare you in my manner of speak as a sailor in search of the Promised Land. Keep searching and looking.

You do not know everything, as neither do I, however, learn from what other people have stated in regards to various topics of interest. They may be right on some topics but on others wrong, but do not reject them totally simply because it doesn’t suit your agenda.

Long live freethinking!

Cheers!

Best regards,

Ivan

Jerome answers: Ivan, even if you don't own a website, you can still answer questions. But I digress.

Concerning what others say, I am well aware of that, and this is also why I have taken another approach of justice, and not merely obedience to a God or person. This is why my position entails justice, rather than obedience to someone.

Yes, my brother Markus have fallen into Cultism, and that is his problem: pride. He thinks he is right above everyone else or most people, even Alphonsus himself, whom he really would consider as damned (he told me this my self) if he really did teach those things on kisses and touches (which Alphonsus did teach), but in his ignorance, Markus denies it, because otherwise, he would have to condemn him.

As you say, I try to be wise and as yourself, being a freethinker or rather, a person of justice who adhere to justice rather than obedience, because if only obedience is followed, then the more important aspect of justice is ignored. And that is the point: i.e., justice, and not merely slaving after a person or a God. Because god certainly has not been just on Hell, just as Hitler was not just on his evil concentration camps [and murder]. Yet Hell is far worse and infinitely so than simply a concentration camp. Why then imagine that god was good or just on this point? He was not.

I reject Hell because it is unjust, and also, because God claims to follow justice, hence, we who reject Hell and advocate forgiveness and salvation, must be right even above god, and God wrong. So who would be right in his judgment, when he [God] want to condemn and we forgive. Hence, I am confident God will humble himself and admit to being wrong [in the day of judgement], and god, in fact, has told me this many times, i.e., that he was wrong and that men in the world, such as his Church, has changed their views. (There is a reason for why God told us to adhere to the Church, and why he himself also adheres to it, because God at least was humble enough to understand men's opinion and justice may differ from his.)

It would be more straightforward if you just admitted to adhering to the Church and Alphonsus on the topic of sexual ethics or not, and not just claiming to adhere to Ibranyi. For Ibranyi is not the Church, but Vatican II, which expands on Alphonsus, is.

You stated: “When I mentioned that in prophecies of the future, that there will be an Angelic Shepherd and Vatican Council 3 that will resolve “once and for all settle all disputes”; what does this mean to you?” This can be interpreted differently, such as that Vatican II is this council. Also, prophecies does not really matter [above justice], only justice matter, because a prophecy does not deny justice [or may not deny justice], or precede it. God may be God or claim to be, but if he is not just, he will fall. This is what everything must be judged after [justice], and not prophecy, or God, or teachings which are evil.

You wrote: “Are you ignoring the hundreds of prophecies by Saints, Blesseds, Venerables and other pious Catholic souls who talk about this occurrence?” No, I am not ignoring everything, but when you ask, I am asking you, why are you ignoring God's own words to follow the Church. That is God's own words. These words you are referring to, are only words of saints that doesn't really change anything, and as Ibranyi loves to stress, they are not infallible.

Besides, what if Vatican II was this council that they where referring to? Otherwise, my own personal opinion may be that a new council in the future may be convened to condemn even harsher and clearer the heresy of Hell and oppression as was taught previously in the Church. This has not been done yet to the full extent as I have done it. Hence, much more is needed to be done by the Church.

Also, even if the saints are right in their words, this does not make it right, because the Saints where merely slaving after God, and tragically, they did not even fight against God for the salvation of every brother and sister that has ever lived, but they only – as blinded slaves (sadly) like with Hitler and his blinded slaves – follow his evil whatever he teaches. No, this is not how true justice works. True justice teaches forgiveness and salvation for everyone, and not evil damnation and nothing can change this fact. No prophecy, no God, no teaching or law can make that which is inherently evil and unjust and unrighteous become good, right or noble or just, simply because it is not.

I also want to point out that even though the saints did not fight against God, they still did not like damnation and they did all in their power in life to help souls escape Hell. Hence they where good souls, although, brainwashed just like the Germans was with Hitler, whom they also followed into evil (not all of them did, but many of them did... but did this make it right, because they obeyed? No, certainly not, because obedience to someone is not justice or goodness if justice and goodness is not followed).

You wrote: “When Vatican 3 condemns Vatican 2 as false, are you still going to be obstinate in holding opposing views, or will you accept it that God has changed his mind again to be more Traditional?” Yes I will if they condemn justice. That is again, because justice is to be followed, and not men or god. If God be not truly just, God will fall, and someone better take his place? Do you believe in this? I certainly do!

Vatican II teaches more justice than any previous version of the Catholic Church, so no one can actually condemn them, unless they be even more just than they. Do you agree with this? And again, slaving after God and his evil Hell is not justice, but in fact, the greatest injustice that has ever existed.

So declare me heretical as much as you like, whoever you are, even a future so-called unjust Catholic council. In heaven, we will see who was right, and who will be rewarded for having actually followed justice, and not only having slaved after god like a man who is afraid to think of something better for others and himself, when better opinions are available. [Like creating a prison with the possibility of parole and forgiveness instead of an evil Hell in which no forgiveness or possibility of betterment ever existed...]

In heaven, I will be the friend and lover of the damned, whereas everyone else will stand with shame for not having wanted to save them! Think about that.

And yes, I do not know everything as you stated, but this I know: Justice. And justice must always be followed, even if a God damns and condemns you for it. [Do you agree with this?] Would you dare to make this move? I have...

Cheers to you too!

Best regards,

Ville

P.S.

Have you read this and subsequent articles? I really advise you to do so, since this would make my position and justice (which fights against god's injustice) more clear to you.

Please read it:

https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html

Hi Ville!

It has come time for us to part ways. This will be my final communication, as you believe in the complete opposite of God, thus you are a type of Anti-Christ.

You yourself know that you are an explicit heretic for denying the existence of Hell. I am not saying you will end up in Hell, as I am hopeful that you will eventually convert faithfully to Catholic Tradition.

I am certain that God gives everyone at least one chance to convert to the true Faith, and that he will either send a preacher directly, or deliver what is required in a miraculous way, such as Mary of Agreda bilocating to Indians of North America.

https://www.traditioninaction.org/History/B_014_Agreda_2.html

As for sexual ethics Richard Ibranyi has explained it much better than anyone else. He is not heretical in this regard. If you had read his article he explained it in a very logical way, countering the extreme right and extreme left.

In regards to the dispute between your brother Markus and yourself, who is closer to God? I would judge it to be Markus as he at least tries to make sense of this current Church crisis. Markus if you read this, do not condemn everything that other Traditionalists have written, as they may have discovered problems and issues which you have not. If for example, you don’t like Mr. Ibranyi for whatever reason, please remember that in every mad man there is a genius. Ibranyi for example has discovered heretical items in the 1917 Code of Canon Law, thus you cannot dismiss him totally.

http://www.johnthebaptist.us/jbw_english/documents/books/rjmi/br15_bad%20Laws_in_1917_Code.pdf [I advice no one to read his material. You have been warned! Also, see our article: http://www.trusaint.com/richard-ibranyi-exposed/]

This terrible monster called Vatican 2, did not simply arise all of a sudden and exploded onto the world scene. Rather it was many centuries in the making. The Church has had problems with heresies for a very long time. So once again, I implore you Markus to give Ibranyi a fair go by studying his deep analysis of what has gone wrong in these past 1000 years or so, of the Great Apostasy.

http://www.johnthebaptist.us/jbw_english/documents/books/rjmi/br63_great_apostasy.pdf [I advice no one to read his material. You have been warned! Also, see our article: http://www.trusaint.com/richard-ibranyi-exposed/]

I only leave one final parting comment by the words of Jesus Christ in John 3:5‐ “Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”

Cheers to all!

Best regards,

Ivan

Jerome answers: Your whole email is shameful, you in reality tells us to follow obedience or dictators above justice, and that it would be justice and righteousness and equivalent to salvation to follow someone like Hitler unto evil, even though we know better! Do you know what your problem is? That is that you are brainwashed, and afraid to stand up to justice. You are thus a follower of man (or God) and not a follower of justice and love.

You believe in and adhere to the damnation of billions and billions of angels, humans and souls, and even children, as something good and salvific, whereas the position to fight against this evil heresy, you judge as heretical and damnable. You are pathetic, and you are blind. You reject justice, and you do not love truly, because you are only a follower of man (or of god) and you do not fight for the salvation of those damned you love, but rather, or so it seems, only if you are saved, you would let all the rest be and remain damned, and you would not care. Do you know what that is called? Selfishness. You are disgusting.

Do you know why I write so severely? That is because I have explained myself to you so clearly, and yet you reject everything and defend God even though he desires and wishes the damnation and ETERNAL torments of those whom he reject! Thus, you are a heretic yourself for denying love, justice, and truth and honesty, and you are a follower of man (or God) and not of justice. You are no different from the Germans that followed Hitler unto evil in World War 2, and no different from all the other blind people who followed evil people into evil, because they too where followers of men and false obedience above true justice, [a justice] which adhere to truth and not a man or a God, if this man or god be unjust; and you continue to adhere to this truth even if this man or God punishes you for it. That is truth, that is nobility, that is honor, and this is what those good people did who resisted Hitler and other evil people [and they where right], and why they are rightly honored by the world, whereas everyone else, will have to stand which shame.

In short, you say I am wrong and a heretic (and unjust and evil according to you too?) because I desire your mother and father's and everyone else's salvation, and that God is right and good and just and faithful because he desires and wills the damnation and ETERNAL torments of billions and billions of angels, humans and souls... Can you not see how blind you are? You call goodness evil and evil goodness, ONLY BECAUSE YOU FEAR TO STAND UP FOR JUSTICE, AND BECAUSE YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF MAN [or of this God who is a false good because he is unjust] RATHER THAN A FOLLOWER OF JUSTICE [which is the true God, since the true God claims to be inherently just]. Hence, you would rather “save” your own poor soul then stand up to the truth and disobey an evil God, for the sake of the good of all. You are thus a coward, and a fraud against the faith and love you claim to follow.

Think of it, if your mother was damned, you would just allow it according to the current evil faith you hold, and you would not even dare to question God or do anything against it [or about it]. That is the current evil faith you are holding, and is also the reason for why you are blind.

No, instead of being such a coward like you, I will always condemn God and fight for your and everyone's else's salvation, and I will never accept the position that anyone should be damned, but I will always fight against this heresy even if God condemn and damns me for it, because god is wrong and I am right on this point, as is obvious, and as will be seen in the day of judgment, when you will stand with shame for being unjust, and I with happiness, for having made the right choice of justice.

You will remember this conversation in Heaven with shame, that is for sure.

IF you don't reply, I will have nothing more to say to you, but I will post this conversation on my blog, so that people will see the truth and what the so-called “Catholic” faith is all about: SELFISHNESS. IF only I am saved, all is good... [The Catholic faith is not selfish for those who live selfless lives, but for others, it become selfish, since they don't care or do anything about the salvation of the damned, which are in the billions.]

Also, ask yourself this question, how could you be happy in heaven seeing all the damned whom you love be damned? You can't, unless you are inherently selfish.

An this will be my last word: Why is it so hard to believe that Hell was just a test by God too see what men would want to be truly just and who would not, and that this is a great test in order to see who [what people] just don't want to be like blind sheep just following blind [false] obedience rather than [the truth of] justice?

Why can't you see or admit that justice stands above even a God if this God be not truly just? Wake up! Please, answer this question honesty: Does justice stand above God or not? ANSWER!

Hi Ville!

I mentioned I am not going to communicate with you no longer, however, circumstances changed when you mentioned that if I do not reply that you will post our conversation on your blog.

YES please do this posting on your blog . I think this would be a great business idea, as I am willing to do business with anyone, even with heretics like you for the greater glory of God.

In the Economy of Salvation, I totally and wholeheartedly accept you posting all this on your blog, under the condition that you do not change or edit our communications in any manner, shape or form. Leave it as is in its natural form. Post everything both what you yourself had said and what I have said too. It will help people seek the truth by discerning what is a lie and what is truthful.

Let everyone who reads all of this, see who the coward is, as Catholic warriors will through their own experience know that cowards like to act tough behind a computer screen or phone, but in real life people are so much more timid when they have to face someone in person. [Jerome comments: It's shameful how he talks about cowardice, yet become a complete coward himself by completely refusing to answer any of my questions or arguments on the point of justice and damnation... Know this, dear reader, when someone refuses to answer even a single question or argument that was asked, this is an indication that their position is weak and false and they have nothing to stand upon – just as with this person.]

Ville! I am not interested in your bullshit heretical babble, either be a man and post everything per my agreement or fly to Australia in the future once travel is re-instated with a fully paid ticket by me, to face me in person on the martial arts mat for just one lesson. Then we will see who the coward is. Till then shut your lip and get on with the show.

Go ahead make my day!

Ivan

“What is the good of words if they aren't important enough to quarrel over? Why do we choose one word more than another if there isn't any difference between them? If you called a woman a chimpanzee instead of an angel, wouldn't there be a quarrel about a word? If you're not going to argue about words, what are you going to argue about? Are you going to convey your meaning to me by moving your ears? The Church and the heresies always used to fight about words, because they are the only thing worth fighting about.”

― G.K. Chesterton

Jerome answers: Forgive me Ivan if I offended you, but I do write hard in order to make you see and to gain a proper response, but see you did not, and again you did not address any of my questions, arguments or points at all but rather, you only stated that I could post the conversation on my blog and you also showed that you took offense at what I wrote (hence your invitation to a physical fight with you). Since this is the case, why not be a man and fight with me in words instead and actually take the time to reply to my arguments for once, as my intention was to make you do in the first place?

Do you know why you refuse to respond properly? That is because you fear God or fear offending him, hence you do not dare to question him, even if he would damn your own mother, father or child. Is this the sad truth about you (that you could let a dictator murder those you love and do nothing about it?). This, at least, is the sad indication you gave in your email, since you completely avoided all my arguments to the point of justice, damnation, and of not allowing or allowing God to damn those we love, and actually doing something or nothing about it.

At present you do nothing, and you also avoided to answer my question concerning what you would do. That, again, is because you fear being damned for being a true freethinker. Hence you are not really a true freethinker, but you only are such when it fits you and so long as you do not have to fear being “damned” or “condemned” for endorsing this approach. If you had any courage or sense of justice, as I explained, you would answer my question and even risk being damned if honesty and justice condemns God over the points I took up and excuse us (the so called damned), but so far, you have not been just or even honest at all because you completely refused to answer or even address any of my arguments at all, and all you have done is to defend God like someone would defend Hitler even though God positively damns and wills the damnation of everyone we love (whoever they are that are damned).

Thus, you do not truly care about true justice, and provided you and yours are saved, or even if they are not, but provided you are saved, all is fine with you? Is this your sad belief and faith? And what if you are damned? However, do not worry, I will never let you or anyone else be damned, but I will always fight for all eternity for everyone's salvation because I do know and see the truth that damnation is evil, and that God is evil for damning us rather than forgiving and curing us, as easily could be done in some form of prison in the next life – so God have no excuse in the day of judgment for the evil he did and thought about with this and I will condemn him for it and do all in my power to save all the damned, if there are any. (You see the difference in our faith? Mine is good and endorse goodness, yours is evil and endorse evil.) And in the day of judgment, God I will condemn and deprive of his rule because I know something you refuse to see, that damnation is evil and that God is unjust for damning us. Heck, you even claim I will be damned and burn in Hell for the simple fact of questioning him on eternal damnation; and because I want to save your mother and father and everyone else from Hell, you call me damned and a heretic!

Can't you see how sad your view of justice, love and faith is? God wants to damn us, yet he is good, faithful and just according to you? And I who want to save them from damnation, is declared damned and a heretic according to you. That is the kind of blindness and dishonesty we are talking about here, (good is bad and bad is good) and is also the reason for my harsh words in the previous emails, because when it comes to this, most Catholics or Christians are completely dishonest, such as you have been, and they refuse to see or even answer questions, just like you did, and whatever one says to them they simply refuse to listen, just as you did, and whatever one says to them God will always be defended by them even if he positively wills and allows and permits the damnation of your own child, mother, father, brother or sister, and what is worse, the person who desires to save them or condemns God for this and fights him on this points – rather then praise him or deem him good [or agreeing with him], are condemned as evil, heretical and damned by blind people like you.

In reality, what you do is nothing less than the equivalent of defending someone like Hitler, and instead of condemning Hitler or God as you should be doing (or at least, acknowledge that Hell is evil), you condemn the person who wants to save us as evil, as a heretic and as damned, for the mere “crime” of having condemned and fought against Hitler (or God)!

Think of the stupidness of your position once again: Because I desire that your mother and father be saved even if God damned them, you call me evil, a heretic and damned; and God who damns them you defend even though he positively wills and permits the ETERNAL TORMENT of those we love in the worst torments possible for all eternity (ETERNITY!)...

Hence your position has nothing to do with justice at all, but all your position entails is slaving after one man or one God whatever he teaches or does, and this is not honest, nor is it truth, nor is it justice, but in reality it is cowardice, and injustice, and against love. What a dark and selfish faith you have!

In short, you defend the worst crime possible: the eternal torment and murder of billions of human beings and angels that all could love IF ONLY GIVEN THE CHANCE, and you do not even dare to be a true freethinker in this regard and think of something better. Heck, you do not even have the courage to think [or write] of something better for them to me (not even anything have you mentioned but a Hell with torments), but you only avoid everything and call me damned. And that is all.

I have really nothing more to say to you, and if you choose not to respond, so be it.

Yes, I will post this conversation on my blog as it is, EXCEPT FOR SMALL SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL FIXES THAT WILL BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MAKE MY POINTS MORE CLEAR, for I expressed my self poorly in some parts due to not having proofread it better. I hope you understand.

I will end this email now.

Sincerely,

Ville Hietanen (Jerome, of against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com)

P.S.

I hope you have a good day and a wonderful life, and then after death, we will meet each other in Heaven.

You wild boar!

I already told you I am not interested in your bull shit heretical babble, hence, just get on with the show.

Recall one of my responses which I will quote again;

“I am a simple man, not a Catholic apologist. I do not have my own Catholic website where I espouse my beliefs, hence, I am not looking at arguing any point of view.

I am merely being polite in answering your questions as a Catholic Freethinker, not as an expert. For this reason, I will be recommending you to study what others have said on various topics of interest as I do not have the brilliant intellect of some individuals.”

Thus you are being aggressive in demanding an argument with someone who has already told you they are not interested.

Either get on with the show of posting everything or start preparing for the martial arts mat. There are no other options.

There is to be no editing of anything when you post our conversations, not even spelling mistakes nor grammar. That is what I agreed to. I want you to post everything, including this email too. Everything!

I have nothing further to say and I am not interested in you replying to me with anything else except for the words: I agree to post everything as is or I agree to a martial arts lesson.

Ivan

Final thoughts by me, Ville (or Jerome), and this was not posted to him in the email, but posted here:

Ivan, you don't have to be en expert or a theologian to know or understand justice because justice is the reason for why you know and understand that murder, rape and theft is wrong, and so the pitiful excuse that you are no expert is no excuse for ignoring my requests of receiving an answer, because the questions was about justice, and not about some theological matter not pertaining to justice. Hence, to respond to my questions would have been just as obvious and clear as to respond to the question: is it right or wrong to murder? But since you are not honest, you do not want to see clearly, and you are not interested in being just, hence that you do not answer the questions or arguments pertaining to justice, because if you do answer them, what would happen, you think? You would have agreed with me, and hence have condemned God even if you would not have said so in direct words like I do. But you don't want to do this and answer, because you are not a follower of justice but a follower of men and not of truth and justice, hence you adhere to the evil position of respecting other men or God and obeying them whatever they do or teach (even the most evil thing that has even been, i.e., Hell, which is the mass murder – for all eternity – of billions and billions of humans and angels!). Hence, you are not a respecter of justice, but again a respecter of men and their evil wills and that is your downfall in this email discussion.