Q&A: “That's why Hell is not unjust. That's why you are an apostate, anti-Christian Universalist.” My third response to Introibo Ad Altare Dei.

This article is in response to a comment made by Introbio, in which he thinks he answered my arguments or questions and made a proper response as to why damnation is just (according to him), and why I will refute him.

Keep in mind that this persons who refuses to answer questions, is a lawyer by degree and work who is supposed to defend people from injustices (but apparently not from the injustice of Hell!).

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You (Introbio) wrote: “For one who writes long screeds and calls names (i.e., "retard" and "stupid" you obviously don't have the mental capacity to understand what I wrote above.” (Cf. comment section of: http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/08/hell-under-fire.html)

Response: I used those words in context of this (below). If you don't see that this as stupid or retarded, then what will?:

“Did you know St. Alphonsus wrote about a vision of a 5 year old child that was burning in Hell? According to your idiotic (and unjust) position, you would find a problem with (and even say that God was unjust) if this child was being granted forgiveness and salvation – as you in fact already shamefully, idiotically and tragically expressed to me in your previously retarded comment that I responded too, and that you shamefully ignored and avoided giving a response too (i.e., Introibo wrote in to me in order to say that God would really be unjust if he forgave a damned soul that, according to him, deserves damnation and not forgiveness! Stupid, stupid, stupid...).” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-the-salvation-of-all-human-beings-souls-and-angels-an-illogical-position.html )

Yes, according to your stupid belief, this child does not deserve forgiveness or responsible parenting in the next life so that he can become good again and converted, but he “deserves” damnation and must always live in a Hell to be tormented forever without ever feeling love, hope, forgiveness or happiness ever again! Do you see now why I called your position retarded, and why you are stupid? That is because you have no sense of justice, and because you are only slaving after a God – and that is all. Instead of wishing and declaring that responsible parenting would be a just judgment for this child in the next life so that we can be friends and love each other instead of hating and tormenting each other, you flat out evilly and heretically declare that he must be damned and burn and be tormented for all eternity in a Hell that is unmerciful and evil.

What if this child was your own child? Surely, you would not want him to be damned, and you would wish there was hope. Think the same of others children then too, and do not evilly declare that damnation is “good” or “just”, because you would never have made such a judgment if you where God, hence, this position is evil, as you know. Because if you had the power, you would make a different judgment of bad people than eternal damnation. Hence damnation is false, and evil, otherwise, if it was true, you would judge the same and send people to Hell if you where God, but you would not. Be honest, ANSWER; you coward! (I already asked you this question, and received no response.

I also wrote this concerning the article: “In this article, I will try to make you respond [by being severe] and make you understand in a grave and serious way that your position is stupid and illogical.” (Ibid.)

You wrote: “All of your objections are answered. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.” (Ibid.)

Response: No, they are not. I have already written two whole articles full of arguments and questions so far just for you, and your articles does not address my questions or arguments at all (otherwise, point out were you go through my writings or comments point by point and answering them as I do with you). Your Hell article may touch some of the topics I discuss, but it was not addressed to me hence it does not actually answer the points I bring up, so how can you say every objection or argument has been answered, when this is clearly not the case, and I can prove to you that you have not answered my questions even in this article, as we will see.

For example, you have not address any single argument on point of true justice in your comments or articles except the false argument “that God says so”, or “that it must be so”, or “we must believe so” but this is not justice, as I explained in the article because justice is not based upon what one man or woman or God says, but rather, it is based on what true justice really is, and God is not just with his Hell, as even you know, since you would not damn anyone if you yourself received the power by God over the damned to do what you want, for then you would forgive them... ANSWER THIS QUESTION NOW YOU COWARD SINCE IT PERTAINS TO JUSTICE AND PROVES THE POINT; THAT JUSTICE IS NOT BASED ON WHAT ONE MAN OR WOMAN SAYS, BUT AGAIN, ON WHAT TRUE JUSTICE REALLY IS, and then explain from your brainwashed Christian perspective “why this would be just” (even though it is not) to damn someone based on justice not seen from a brainwashed Christian's God's perspective WHEN THE SAME CRIME IF IT HAPPENED ON EARTH YOU WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED IN A HUMAN PERSON YOU HYPOCRITE BLIND PERSON, as my articles are out to explain and make you understand, but you just refuse to see it. But trust me, I will make a specific reply to your article also in due time, but not right now. But soon I will, and then, what will you say? That everything has been answered even though it has not been answered and even been refuted?

Besides, my intro continued like this, and what do you have to say about it you avoider of questions and arguments and despiser of justice, you fake lawyer and respecter of persons:

“Had God been a man, or rather, if God had been Hitler, would Introibo (who is a real lawyer) have condemned him and called him evil, not only in a court of law, but also outside of it? Of course he would. He would not, as a lawyer, defend someone like Hitler or justifiably defend their evil crimes against humanity even though Hitler was the ruler and wanted this punishment to happen to those who incurred his displeasure. But the problem here is that GOD ALSO WANTS THIS PUNISHMENT TO HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO HAVE INCURRED HIS DISPLEASURE JUST LIKE HITLER DID! So why is Introibo, who is supposed to be just and not judge according to persons, making a different judgment or ruling when it comes to a God that is different from the judgment he would make against Hitler when they are guilty of the same crime? I will tell you why, and that is because Introibo is a respecter of persons or God rather then a respecter of true justice and true charity which wills good; a justice which defends men and condemns God when man shall be defended and God be condemned.

“I know for a fact that Introibo condemns Hitler for the evil he did and he does not excuse him. He publicly states this as a fact on his blog. So why does he excuse God when God do even worse? If the argument is that God is God and hence “he must always be obeyed” and also, “God wills no evil whatever he commands since he is righteous and just” and so “we must always have faith and believe no matter what” – if one actually follows such evil and unreasonable logic of mere “obedience” (as most Christians do in relation to God) to whatever is commanded (like both Hitler and God demands or demanded from their people) rather than following the truth of always adhering too and following the true justice no matter what even if a so called God condemns you for it, then one is not actually truly defending people or following the true justice of defending real love and goodness (that desires good and happiness upon everyone) or being reasonable or logical at all, but one is rather defending evil and respecting persons and instead of being just, becomes unjust, unreasonable and illogical in defending evil; not only any evil, but the worst evil that has ever existed and been implemented by anyone at anytime! Thus, no greater injustice than Hell has ever existed, yet the fewest people condemn it or defend people from incurring this infinite and infallible injustice. It is really tragic, and sad.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-the-salvation-of-all-human-beings-souls-and-angels-an-illogical-position.html)

Answer why you judge God different from Hitler when they are both guilty of the same crime and they both damn innocent people, for God also damns or condemns people to Concentration Camps of Hell for nothing, such as merely being ashamed to confess one single sin! And this is clearly unjust according to all just laws, as even the lawyer you are should know, if you are but honest, because this is not a crime in the world or by the world, but only declared so by “God”.

If you won't answer my argument or questions, then it is because you are dishonest and are afraid to be exposed. Otherwise, answer my arguments and questions, you coward, because I have already answered yours.

You wrote: “You used to be a rabid Feeneyite and even considered enjoyment of the marital act "mortal sin." Now you are a total apostate.” (Ibid.)

Response: What has been is different from what is now. But even so, no, I did not directly say the marital act was sinful, only that excess was sinful. But this “excess” judged by us was too much and we were wrong, and I was also brainwashed by my brother, but I have changed position now and when he moved out, I started to distance my self from his influence. That is the truth with my position, and now I embrace the teachings of Vatican II and Alphonsus on sexual activity.

You wrote: “In your article above you DENY that there is one true Church. Beliefs don't matter, nor do actions.” (Ibid.)

Response: No, I don't deny it, I only explained that Vatican II is this Church since the previous Church was blind and deceived in their view that damnation is just or that only Christians or Catholic can be saved. And God tells us to listen to the Church for a reason, and that is because God also learns from the Church. Since damnation is evil and everyone knows it is (otherwise, if you where God you would also damn souls but you would not do this, please ANSWER HONESTLY!) hence we know damnation is evil and hence, Vatican II follow the true teaching and they even teach to God, and God listen to the Church and hence, changes his positions or understands them better. Hence, Vatican II is the true Church moving towards the right direction. That is my position. So you said wrong, because I don't deny the Church, it is just you who deny that Vatican II is the Church – and that is all.

Neither did I say beliefs or actions does not matter. All I said was that even if people fail in life, forgiveness must be open to them. To argue that those who died in failure must always be damned and tormented because they made mistakes in life is evil, because people change and convert everyday but this conversion would be denied in a Hell where conversion and betterment is not possible, and where salvation and forgiveness is not granted, and that is also why Hell is the worst evil that has ever existed.

Also, even if conversion never happens, still, it is undeniably evil and unjust to torment sick and evil people or souls forever, because if we act like this towards them, then we are no better then they. And that is why evil people on earth is looked up in prison while being allowed to live in happiness in the prison with some form of freedom, and they are not denied betterment or conversion of soul and mind from evil, and if they become good people and role models, they may even be released or will be released in due time.

But still, I do not believe conversion is not possible, because how can love, goodness and truth be resisted forever when love, goodness and truth is true? Therefore, I do believe in hope, and therefore, I always believe total conversion is possible from evil for anyone whatever God in his blindness claims about it, even the devil himself, even if it takes many eternities. (God says a damned soul will never convert, be good or love, but this is false, because it is God whom they hate because he does them evil, and not that they hate everyone, because they had love in them and loved others while on earth.)

You wrote: “Why then did God become Man and die on the cross? What was He saving us from, if not Hell?”

Response: I will give you an answer from another article and person I spoke with. This is my answer:

““If there is no hell, Jesus came and died for nothing.” Answer: God only died for the Saved according to his laws anyway, so yes, in a sense he died for nothing because Christ refused to be truly universal and he lets billions be lost, because they are “unworthy” his graces. Do you know what this might mean? That the true Christ perhaps is yet to come, if this other Christ was no the true Christ. Because why would a true God be selfish, and only apply salvation to those who are worthy according to himself? Salvation must be applied according to justice, and not on any personal motives. And according to justice, everyone is worthy of salvation, because everyone can love and become good and give love [but this is denied by God to ever happen in his evil Hell].” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

You ask what God saved us from? I answer. From his own selfishness in desiring humans to be like he desires us to be and the grave consequences if we failed, but this is not justice, but injustice.

I wrote about this before in another article like this:

“Rules more often then not is the cause and giver of sin, and not the fact that breaking a law is sinful in actuality when the breaking of it entails no evil to anyone, except for the dictatorial and hypocritical lawgiver, who seems to desire obedience above all else and not mercy and love. For example, if God gave us our will to live our life and have our free will, such as marrying a Protestant or a so-called “heretic” or a relative even if the Church condemned this, then no disobedience would have been enacted, and no “sin” been committed by be so-called guilty person. (Mixed marriages was not always approved by the Church, and marrying before in time against the will of the Church was an excommunicable “offense”, since such disobedience was deemed mortally sinful and damnable, even if you loved the spouse.) The same can be said about many other things, such as confessing our sins to a priest, which is an obligation in the Catholic Church under pain of mortal sin. But if someone were ashamed to confess their sin even though they felt sorrow, they would be damned, according to God's law, even if they were completely honest and good persons otherwise. Hence, it is God's law that creates sin, and not the persons itself, since marrying someone or being ashamed to confess, is not in itself a sin or evil (marrying is even love, as we know, so love is damnation?), but God has only decided to view it as “mortally sinful and damnable disobedience”, even though these are trifling matters in reality even according to the world's standards, since these acts are not judged sinful or as criminal on the earth. Rules, however, that is according to conscience, justice and our hearts, i.e., that is about doing good unto others and ourselves, are true laws and must be followed, but if someone failed to keep these laws, this is still no reason for eternally damning them! No, forgiveness and love must be open to everyone, even evil people, so that they too may have a chance to become good!” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

You wrote: “Wait Jerome--YOUR "God" doesn't think Hitler is bad or unjust! He's going to Heaven the same as St Francis of Assisi!!” (Ibid.)

Response: False, I never said that, I never said Hitler was not unjust or bad, you unjust, blind dishonest person. How many times did I already mention Hitler was evil, unjust and bad in my articles and in the article you just read? Yet you lie or take me out of context or misunderstood something because either you have nothing honest to say, or you are just stupid and blind (which in fact you also are).

What I said was essentially this: If someone was evil and yet truly repented with sincerity and yet a God or even you would not forgive him, you would be evil and would be worse than even Hitler himself that chose love in the end, whereas you did not by not forgiving him, you evil man if you would not forgive him -- and for all eternity too?! Evil Hell, apostasy doctrine of true heresy from all love and justice for sure! And that is also why every reasonable person (like atheists and other people and religious of other faiths and even Christians who dislike Hell) do not like Hell or even contradicts it or condemns it!

Since you are so blind to conversion from evil and forgiveness and hope even in the afterlife because God has brainwashed you, let me remind you of what I wrote previously to other people about bad people converting and being saved so that you may not take me out of context anymore or misunderstand anything.

This is what I have written, both about the devil, and Hitler:

“Why do you think Vatican II moves away from this evil doctrine of Hell and separation if not because they have started to accept true justice and the law of conscience which desires and wishes good upon everyone, including ourselves? No one deserves damnation, but everyone deserves something better than eternal torments and unhappiness, as even you know. For example, just think for yourself how lovable it would be if the Devil himself finally converted and become lovable and good and like a little child if he was only given the hope and opportunity to do so! That would be amazing and great!! The devil becoming our friend and lover from having been our enemy. What happiness!, what love!, what hope!! -- To have hope and to be able to be forgiven and loved always and for all eternity by everyone! But with the evil doctrine of an eternal Hell and unforgiveness, this hope would never happen and hence this doctrine is the most evil doctrine and thought to have ever existed or been created by anyone at anytime, God or man.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

Also:

TraditionalCatholic asked: “How could Hitler be saved? Stalin?”

I responded: “You asked me how Hitler or Stalin (who is considered among the most evil people who have ever lived) could possible be saved? I answer: They can be saved and be happy and love and be loved and even be good examples for all eternity in the next life by henceforward always doing good and by having repented from their evil actions!

“And also, did you know that according to a doctrine even you accept, God waits to the last moment for a man's conversion? Hence, if they only changed their evil ways before death and accepted their wrongdoings and wanted to change their evil ways etc., God would have forgiven them and saved them, and if their sorrow was truly sincere and great, they would even have escaped purgatory. This is true Catholic doctrine which you cannot deny, yet you ask me how they could have been saved, as if you did not know this! TraditionalCatholic, stop being dishonest from henceforward, and see the arguments for what they are, i.e., that anyone is worthy of eternal forgiveness and love and happiness, for when they convert and change, it was always worth it, you see. For the same reason would you never give up on your own sick mother or father or child or sister or brother, but you would always hope, pray and work for their well being, and not give up on them. For the same reason then, never give up hope for those who died in God's displeasure, for even if this so-called God hates them and they hate God, we do not need to hate them (I certainly don't) and hence if we do, we will not be hated by them and therefore, we will more easier be accepted by them and share our love with them, which will not be rejected.

“You see, by being open to forgiveness, anyone can convert in due time, even if it takes eternity.! But this so-called God, in his evil faith on Hell and unforgiveness, denies this possibility. Hence, God has denied hope, i.e., the hope that the damned could convert (if it is now his belief that they never will). But since I believe in hope, I will always believe in hope, love and forgiveness for everyone and not deny it like a heretic as this so-called Catholic or Christian God does.

“In fact, what would be more beautiful to behold then to see someone evil like Hitler to truly repent in this life or even in the next and become good and loving and caring for others, even being a good example to others and of repentance and by doing good always henceforward and for all eternity too? If someone was evil and yet truly repented with sincerity and yet a God or even you would not forgive him, you would be evil and would be worse than even Hitler himself that chose love in the end, whereas you did not by not forgiving him, you evil man if you would not forgive him -- and for all eternity too?! Evil Hell, apostasy doctrine of true heresy from all love and justice for sure! And that is also why every reasonable person (like atheists and other people and religious of other faiths and even Christians who dislike Hell) do not like Hell or even contradicts it or condemns it!” (Cf. comment section of: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

And:

“If you could only see the damned being converted and being forgiven, and being saved from this torment and fire, you would cry of happiness and feelings of love and forgiveness and hope, and so would they. There are even children in Hell, mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, neighbours etc. that all could live a better eternity, but is denied this by an evil God dictator.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

So what I said is that salvation must be open to everyone, even Hitler or the Devil or anyone else, because provided one believes in conversation to goodness and never denies it, everyone can convert in due time however evil they have been, but this is denied in Heaven by God – and this is heretical.

You wrote: “As a lawyer the PUNISHMENT MUST FIT THE CRIME.” (Ibid.)

Response: No crime deserves eternal torments. That is why I so much mentioned you being a lawyer and claiming to follow justice, because according to the laws you have learned, you certainly know eternal torment does not befit a crime that was only temporal. Even in the world, repentant criminals are released, and if people could live forever, they certainly would not have been punished forever, if they converted and became new men.

Besides, the world does not torment criminals, but tries to cure them. But in Hell, there are torments so severe so that they can only hate in return, and this is clearly unjust, since it denies love and repentance and love.

And to the argument that people receive life sentences. That is true, but life is only temporal. Had life been eternal on earth, the judgment would have been different. I mean, it is unreasonable to let someone live forever in a prison if the person he killed still lives in another life (if life is eternal and cannot die) and especially if this man also has converted and become good. Therefore, since the laws on earth and eternity are different, different laws applies, but still, the world understands this: tormenting others is evil, which is why the world itself does not do this to her criminals, but again, they seek to cure them, or at least, desire them to die a good deaths so they they may have happiness hereafter.

And this is even more true in the afterlife, because in the afterlife no death exists, and even people who where murdered on earth is alive in heaven, so why then always punish someone when they have already been punished, and especially if they have became new men that are now good? Hence let us forgive each other instead and love each other and be happy with each others goodness and conversion, and let us be like a big family again, like we are meant to be and love each other. For this is the only truth with Heaven, to forgive each other and love each other and to live in happiness and eternal love with each other for ever!

You wrote: “As I wrote above, "Hell is eternal because sin, though finite by itself, is primarily committed against an infinite God; the punishment must therefore also be infinite.” (Ibid.)

Response: Your argument is really not an argument of justice, but it only slaves after a God. That God claims to be infinite, or even if he is, is not an argument for an eternal punishment that never ends. Do you know why? That is because there is no justice behind this argument, which is why such a punishment would never hold up in a court of law.

Besides, God damns many souls for crimes that are not even sinful in the world or according to worldly laws or even according to your conscience, such as marrying against the will of the Church, or simply being ashamed to confess a sin. How does this deserve eternal punishment (or how does our conscience tell us this is wrong like with murder? It does not!) when the world itself does not even judge these acts as sinful or wrong? Hence, your arguments are no arguments according to justice, but you are merely slaving after a God and his evil laws even though he did not have to follow them or implement them just as the world does not implement them, so that we all may live in peace.

Only truly just laws are to be followed, and that is the law of doing good to others, not to steal, not to murder, not to take advantage of others, not to rape, and similar laws to this effect. Such laws are true, but even so, criminals are forgiven on earth, and must be so in the afterlife also.

You wrote: “If you destroyed someone's property valued at $100, he has a strict right in justice to be compensated the full $100. God's 's friendship is infinite in value and the mortal sinner broke that friendship against a Perfect Being. Therefore, the punishment must be equally infinite. Hell is neither more nor less than absolute, perfect justice; it couldn’t be otherwise. "He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He." (Deuteronomy 32:4).” (Ibid.)

Response: In order to prove that you are lying, try to claim this “justice” in a court of law, and we will see if the judge lets you keep your work or not! If you are honest, you will see that the judge would revoke your license if you tried to implement these laws whom you claim are “just” in a court of law, because they certainly are not just, but to the contrary, if you follow true laws, such as not murdering or stealing, you would be praised and honored.

No one in the world is given eternal torments or punishment for having stolen 100 dollars. They are merely given a fine, or a small prison sentence, but God could actually damn someone for eternity if they died in this sin, tragically and evilly, and this is wrong, and you know it, and judges know it; you dishonest person who are merely slaving after a God whatever he teaches.

Both you and I know and everyone know that it would be better to let someone, in the afterlife, pay back in some way what he stole rather then eternally damning him. But such simple logic is not understood by you, because you are a slave of a God and not a man of justice even though you are a lawyer, and hence this is also the reason for that you are blind, for God is blinding you, when you should rather look to true justice, which the world and Vatican II represents better than God.

Besides, why don't God learn some humility? He felt offended? Well, don't we all get offended? God has no reason to damn someone forever just because he felt offended. Instead, man up God and tell this man or woman they did wrong, and then help them become better men and women again. Don't be an unjust fool and eternally damn them, because that is evil. You can give them a prison sentence, but do not eternally damn anyone. In truth, if you refuse to take your work seriously and do not forgive people their offenses, then let me do it and take your place, because I promise you to work for all eternity for bad people's conversion, even if they are evil, because I have hope that even they will and can become good again.

You wrote: “You see Hell as unjust because your conception of God and Justice/Mercy are both WRONG.” (Ibid.)

Response: No it is not wrong, and that is why the world and Vatican II and our conscience and heart, and also true justice, agrees with me and not with you. Only brainwashed Christians like yourself, says it is wrong, because according to you, a 5 year old child being angry with God and calling him bad names must burn in Hell and be damned if he died like this, and a nun who lived a good life but was ashamed to confess a sin “deserves” eternal damnation and torments, you evil person! This is not how the world or Vatican II judges it, which is why they don't even demand confession anymore under pain of sin. This is wisdom. Instead, they believe in mercy, and that even if someone failed in everything, that there is hope for him or her. This is also my faith and my belief, because it is just. But I go even further then they. But many in the Vatican II also believe as I do, i.e., that all are saved and that Hell is either empty, or does not exist.

You wrote: “Under your idea of God, DEATH is immoral. Why are we being punished by physical death for someone else's (Adam's) sin? If God brings Hitler into Heaven, why not just forgive all of us and make us immortal without death? How can God let a five year old die, Jerome/ Why not just make us happy without the pains and sufferings of death?” (Ibid.)

Response: Death is not so relevant on earth since life continues eternally in the next. Only what transpires in eternity, is really relevant, since justice cannot be had in this life to a full extent. But in an eternity and with the power of a just God that cannot be resisted, justice can be had. Hence that the next life is relevant more then this, because it is there that we will meet each other again and live in happiness and justice.

You ask why bring Hitler to Heaven? I answer: Because he can be or have already been converted. That is why. If he has not, let him remain in a prison or receive some punishment, or even be in Heaven, but not be so liked by everyone and not be welcomed everywhere until he has been converted truly, for then there is hope even for him. And when he finally converts and become just like you and me, then it was all worth it, wasn't it? Of course it was, because we are all brothers and sisters and we must not despise those who choose the wrong path in life, because we could have done it too! Hence that conversion and hope in others betterment is the real truth, and not eternal damnation which is actually evil.

You wrote: “As I wrote above, "people themselves become their own punishment. A person will go into the next life as the person they made themselves in this life. A human being's choice and fate are sealed at death. If someone goes to Judgement as an enemy of God, that individual rejects all that God is; love, goodness, etc. They have embraced hate, evil, and all that is wrong. That's who they will be for all eternity.” (Ibid.)

Response: Even it that is true (which I don't believe) still, I would gladly offer myself to work for their conversion for all eternity. IF God is to selfish to help them, let me do it, and do not torment them, but let us live in peace and let us do them good, so that they too will see the light. That is my faith, my hope, my love for them, because I desire them good, and provided someone desires them good, there is hope.

Also, this is what I wrote on this subject in other places, and this answers all of your arguments above sufficiently:

“I have not renounced the true faith but rather found it and embraced it, since the true faith, even according to God himself, is the Golden Rule and wishing (and wanting) good upon others, and forgiving others, especially our enemies! That is why I want to forgive the damned and work for their eternal salvation and happiness. I do not believe, as I explained, that the damned cannot be good or forgiven. If they hate God or can't forgive him, it is for a reason -- i.e., He rejected them and sent them to Hell. If they can't love God or God love them, then let someone else love them or give them love or be their God (such as Mary, or whomever else has won this title), and all would be well. It is absurd to think that a spirit or soul would refuse happiness and love for all eternity just because we have been taught this is the case. If this is not true with reasonable humans, why would it be true with spirits? It makes no sense. But even if this is true, my judgment would be to send them to earth again and live another life and make them receive a body. No human wants to deny love or live in torments, hence, it is easy to see why there are solutions to the damned and that they can start to love again. That is why I believe in love and forgiveness, and not in hate and God's evil damnation.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-answer-as-to-why-i-condemn-hell-and-god.html)

I also wrote in another place:

“If you read my article you will have read many answers as to why there need to be no Hell, and why they could have been saved and lived in happiness and why God commits mortal sin by not having thought of something better for the damned (if Hell now is real and not only a true scare tactic). Would it be hard to let all the damned live on earth in a human body and hence make them live in human happiness instead of damnation? Of course not! Do humans want to live in torments and unhappiness? Certainly not! So the argument that they are always evil and can't be good is false, because they had goodness in them while they lived on earth. My judgment – which would be shared by all who have reason and love true justice above God's will if his will is evil – (if I had God's place) would be that they could live on earth instead (if they don't want to live in Heaven or we can't get along), but I also do believe that Heaven even is for them and that they can become good. …

“I did not mention devils or demons because it does not matter. They exist, but they have become, or will be good in my belief, since I have given them hope and forgiveness, so they are my friends. Do you think I want even the devil to be damned? No, I wish his salvation and happiness, and I will fight for that all the damned will be saved. And in my belief and in that of Origen, everyone will be saved in the end. Yes everyone, and that includes the devil. What is hard to believe with that the devil himself could make himself become like a little child and start to love if he was only forgiven and was granted happiness and love? How can demons love or have hope if they are only tormented and live without hope? Can't you see that they are forced to hate? If you don't believe me, try to torment yourself or be tormented by someone in insufferable torments, and then tell me what you think and if you are happy with this life or if you start to fell an urge to hate! If someone tormented you and you had no hope and you could not bear it, and you thought this would endure forever and there was no hope and you received no consolation from anyone, you will start to hate. Can one live in insufferable torments and not start to hate when one cannot bear it? Even I would have started to hate God and even Mary if I was always tormented in insufferable torments and I had no hope of being released. Not that I want to hate, but if one is not forgiven or granted love or happiness, it only seems natural to start to hate those who deny you this happiness. Hence Hell is evil, since it forces us to hate. Without love and hope, there is only darkness and hate.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

Finally, this is what I wrote specifically for you in the article I directed to you a while back (you never responded):

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “In the strict sense, God does not condemn anyone to Hell. The person chooses it.”

Jerome answers: “I know this argument. I also held this before I got courage to actually blame God instead. I answer: If people truly choose damnation in front of God because their conscience forces it, this is a kind of force, since the conscience follows God's own laws, and not our own well being. I can assure you that I do not want to be damned. If you say I do desire to be damned you would be lying. Therefore, if I desire to be damned in the next life, that only happened because I would be overwhelmed by feelings alien and foreign to me that makes it unjust and impossible to resist. If I do not want to be damned as a human with a human reasoning, I certainly do not want to be damned in the next judgment when I look at everything differently. Since feelings can be deceptive and even can be abused (such as by God), I would guess the feelings in that case must be severe and excessive, and almost impossible to reject. Is that just? Of course not. But then again, nothing is just with a Hell and eternal torments, so the fact that people choose a Hell in God's judgment does not surprise me, since I can see already that there is foul play at hand – because humans with a human reasoning will not and will never want to be eternally tormented or live in a sea of fire for all eternity. That is just common sense and reason. Hence, the argument that people choose Hell by themselves fails and is unjust, since this own condemnation of conscience to an eternal Hell is forced upon the soul with feelings foreign to our current understanding. It is unjust to judge the soul or body separate from each other, or from an understanding different from common human reasoning that looks to its own well being.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/07/response-as-to-why-the-doctrine-of-hell-do-not-follow-true-justice-or-logic.html)

You wrote: “That's why Hell is not unjust. That's why you are an apostate, anti-Christian Universalist.” (Ibid.)

Response: You blind fool. What you say is essentially this: “That is why damning children and unconfessed nuns IS NOT UNJUST BUT EVEN GOOD, and I see not injustice with them burning in Hell or being tormented forever without ever being released...”

Do you see now why I called your arguments and reasonings retarded? Because they are.

You say Hell is “just” only because God says so, and because you are forced to agree with this position because you are a coward too cowardly to stand up to true justice – and that is all. Be honest.

If Hell was “just”, the world and our conscience and God's Church and our heart would agree with this, but they don't.

That our heart don't agree with Hell is obvious, because if you where God or had his place, you would not damn anyone but look for solutions for all eternity that the damned may be saved and become good. So you are refuted, and your arguments are pathetic and no arguments at all, since you are merely slaving after a God whom you fear might damn you to Hell for questioning him or thinking of something better for others and yourself. But your actions are cowardism, and not justice or braveism.

Also, and I repeat myself: if Hell was just, this means you would have made the same condemnation and judgment over the damned as God did if you where God, but you would not do this. ANSWER THIS QUESTION! If you where God or received the power over the damned by God, what would you do? Would you try to convert them, or always damn them, you evil person? Hence this question refutes you, because it proves you would not damn the damned if you had the power over them, and hence, Hell is not just, for no sane person would ever to this to others, but if they did, they would be evil. Yet you excuse God, because you are blind and a respecter of persons (or a respecter of God) and not of justice. You are therefore just a blind follower of God just like the Germans (who did evil) was to Hitler.

You wrote: “The fact that YOU can't comprehend that makes you "reason-challenged," not me. I invite all my readers to read your prolix nonsense.” (Ibid.)

Response: I do comprehend and understand, which is why I always answer every single question and argument, but you have never responded to anything so far, but all you do is ignoring everything.

But we shall see what you do, since I did ask you some questions and made many arguments and quotations even in this posts, and we shall see if you actually dare to respond to them. My guess is that you perhaps won't (or?) because if you do answer, you will condemn yourself and your God in the process.

Here is the immediate previous article you also ignored:

https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-the-salvation-of-all-human-beings-souls-and-angels-an-illogical-position.html

You wrote: “You do a much better job than I could in showing why your beliefs are idiotic and contrary to Christ Who was God and clearly taught an eternal Hell.” (Ibid.)

Response: In the judgment day, we shall see who was right. But even now, you are wrong, but since you are not honest, the point is meaningless to argue.

At least we can see who answers questions and arguments, and that is me; whereas you answers nothing and only hide behinds arguments already addressed. That “God said this” “or that” is not an argument of justice, because God has no right to be unjust and command evil. Hence, when God commands Hell, he does an evil and must therefore be resisted, because there are obviously better solutions or alternatives for the damned then an eternal Hell, and this would be a temporal prison where they will learn to become good again and love. End of story.

You wrote: “Praying for your conversion,” (Ibid.)

Response: And I pray and hope that you will answer my questions (because if you do, you will see the truth) and that you will truly start to follow the true justice which you now falsely claim to follow (as a lawyer nonetheless!).

I have written three articles now in response to you, and so far, you have not addressed any of the arguments or questions but only written small comments in response but without actually answering answering anything.

Even here in this most recent discussion between us, I have asked you questions and made many arguments to prove the points of justice which you do not follow, and specifically asked you to answer them. Again, we shall see what you will do about it.

Signed,

Ville Hietanen (Jerome)

Against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com

Response to Introibo Ad Altare Dei as to why the doctrine of Hell do not follow true justice or logic

This is my response to a person by the name of Introibo Ad Altare Dei who made a reply to my previous post on this topic (https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html), and this person wrote in arrogantly and heretically that the damned are not worthy of forgiveness and that God would be unjust if he forgave them or let them live in happiness! Really? So a "damned" 5 year old child is not worthy to be forgiven and saved according to you Introibo and God only because this evil Dictator God wishes it so? What utter and complete nonsense!

Also, what about an un-confessed nun that only was damned for being ashamed to confess her sins? (There are many examples of this in history.) Does she also "deserve" eternal damnation and never to be forgiven for this only "crime" and "mortal sin" according to God's Dictatorial Laws, even though she did nothing else wrong in life? No, of course not, you stupid person! Yet stupid as you are and as you have become by defending an evil Hell and an evil Doctrine of God which cannot with true justice be defended, you have become completely unreasonable and blind, for true justice is not in you.

I have read several examples of people being damned for the supposedly single "deadly sin" of not confessing all their sins through shame (just as I have read about 5 year old damned children, among one who was damned for blaspheming God just as if God could not take a little offense and forgive the kid and teach him better in the next life?!) , just as if "offenses" like that is deserving of eternal hate, unlove, unhope, unforgiveness and rejection and torments so severe that no one can endure them, since according to Christian writers, not even all torments and suffering on earth can combine with them! If that is not the worst evil thing you have ever seen or heard happening to those we love and who we desire good in life and in the next, Introibo, then what would be? So how can you, who claim to be just and a lawyer, with a good conscience, believe in such evil or defend it? You make literally no sense at all, and that has only happened because you unreasonably defend an evil doctrine only because you feel "forced" to do so, since God is a dictator and damns you otherwise, so you think! (But there is salvation in Vatican II, you see, since they allow us to believe in Universal Salvation with a good conscience and be saved.)

This position of not forgiving others and of not letting others live in happiness is pure evil and satanic, and it is not surprising that dishonest and unjust people fall into this apostasy and heresy against the Natural Law, the Law of Conscience, and the Law of Love and Charity, and even against all secular laws that abhors such unmerciful and uncharitable torments of our fellow human beings when one defends this evil doctrine of God's Hell, as the case of Hitler, World War 2 and the evil Concentration camps proves as these evil wars and punishments and laws were all hated, rebelled against and despised by just people.

And remember this well and understand, this hypocritical person Introibo who wrote in to me and who judges biasedly against all justice when it comes to God and his evil Hell IS A REAL LAWYER BY DEGREE AND WORK ---- WHO ALSO CLAIMS TO DEFEND PEOPLE! Introibo, you should be ashamed of yourself! So you defend an evil God in damning people forever, and not the damned persons themselves who need help to live and be freed from this concentration camp of Hell only because an evil God desires them to be damned? You evil hypocrite. You defend people on earth against evil people and injustices (such as torture and murder and abuse that makes humans miserable), but you will not do the same for angels and humans and souls in the next life even if the culprit and criminal be your God who tortures them by allowing them to be damned? Had you been truly honest and loved justice as you are meant to do, you would have condemned this God also and freed the damned and desired their happiness and rehabilitation in a moral and just place instead!

Had such an evil person as God is been a man and been brought to court of law in your presence, you would have condemned him as the most evil person that has ever existed for what he did to his fellow human beings (i.e, for his crimes of allowing them to be tormented in the worst torments possible for all eternity without hindering it, and by his evil deed and thought of even agreeing with this and approving of it and also for allowing it to continue to happen for all eternity without hindering it -- only because he personally "judges" them to be deserving of this! I am sure you can think of numberless crimes against humanity such a human being (like Hitler) would have committed against human justice and love just from memory if a human being did this to someone else, but when it comes to God, he is completely innocent according to you, and even excused!

Since there are better solutions then eternal damnation, God is completely inexcusable for not thinking of something better! Even living always on Earth with human love would be way better, obviously, then die and be damned to Hell and then being forced to stay in that state, only because God said so! This is evil dictatorialship to the max, and since God claims to be just, he must fall or allow himself to be deprived of his rulership if he do not change his evil position on damnation. (And even if he changed position, he must be deprived of his rulership, since he has been unworthy to rule because of his evil position just like Hitler would be unworthy, without first doing severe penance and repartition for a long time in order to gain back everyone's respect and trust.) Trust me, God will fall from Heaven if he will not change position, since his position on Hell is evil and unjust, and since God claims to be just, he must be just truly, or fall into his own Hell.

You can read numerous horrifying examples of good girls and boys being damned in this book below by St. Alphonsus. And remember, their only crime seems to have been to have offended against God. They where not murderers, or evil people, but simply did not confess their sins or did some other internal sin against God's will. (I don't remember the exact book, but it was a book about Hell and lost souls primarily.)

https://books.google.com/books?id=PQVHDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT4590&lpg=PT4590&dq=nun+shamed+confess+hell+alphonsus&source=bl&ots=IDpHWMKmcN&sig=ACfU3U0kGfQRcDEIs9q1abfVqlsK8rN9fQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3lcyyzb7jAhXCo4sKHdyMCLQQ6AEwAXoECGEQAQ#v=onepage&q=nun%20shamed%20confess%20hell%20alphonsus&f=false

I have put his comment in complete bold-red.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “Jerome, I hope you realize how illogical your position is and how misguided.”

Jerome answers: I will try to be as logical once again in my response to you just as I was in my previous post to you! (By the way, did you even read it fully? Your arrogant and evil answers indicates you did not, or if you did, you still did not embrace the full truth, which follows true justice, and not merely the will of "one God".) for in so doing we shall see who's position is more logical – not only by the laws of charity and kindness, but also by the law of justice and love – and also by the standards of the secular laws.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei: “1. If Hell does not exist and everyone is saved, why keep the Ten Commandments? They become Ten Suggestions.”

Jerome answers: I answer that the commandments should be kept because they lead people to live a more moral life, and because people need laws and justice to follow in order not to offend their neighbour and God. But these laws does not mean in anyway (or give any excuse in any way or by any law) that lawbreakers should be ETERNALLY TORMENTED IN UNMERCIFUL TORMENTS just because the lawbreakers (men and angels) enraged the lawgiver (God).

If you tormented your own children FOR ALL ETERNITY just because they blasphemed you and died suddenly in this state, you would be evil! and you would even judge yourself as evil and as unmerciful and undeserving (and the secular laws would too), but if this person is God who torments his own children, then all is fine! This kind of false judgment (of judging yourself and others different and with different standards and laws then with what you judge God himself with) is called hypocrisy, being unjust, and taking persons into consideration.

As a lawyer, you should already be aware of that the Dictator God breaks all laws against humanity by allowing people to be damned in eternal torments just as the Dictator Hitler did break those laws by allowing people to die and be tormented in concentration camps. If Hitler was condemned and hated because he allowed people to be murdered in concentration camps, then what should God be who allows even WORSE TORMENTS AND ETERNAL ONES TOO? But I already did give similar arguments in my previous post that you supposedly read, but simple arguments like this simply won't reach people like yourself if you are not ready to be just and judge God himself, and stand up against a justice above God's injustice (which people falsely call "justice").

If you truly loved justice even above God, you would condemn him, for you do not truly wish that your own children be damned or tormented for all eternity, but yet you do nothing to hinder the person who would allow and even force this upon your own children if they happened to die in his displeasure (which could happen because of only even one single blasphemy and then dying afterwards without repentance). So your arguments that people in Hell “deserve” such SEVERE, ETERNAL, UNJUST PUNISHMENT is proven false by this argument alone.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “You used to think marital sex was sinful except under the most regulated conditions. Now, if what you say is true, who cares? Rape, murder, “do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” There’s no punishment for the wicked.”

Jerome answers: Marital sex is only sinful if you believe it is sinful. That is just how the law of conscience works (for this reason, non-Christians do not commit sin in this way). Otherwise, there is no sin with giving love and sharing love with others. But even if people did sin in this way, why should they be murdered with eternal torments if they died suddenly afterwards unrepented? That is clearly unjust, and you as a lawyer know this. You know the punishment is unjust and too severe (and that is not only because secular laws would condemn such severe punishments, but also because you know in your heart it is true and that it is unjust) and that it is dictatorial. Just admit it already.

No, we should not rape or murder. Most people do not, and it is illogical to argue that wanting all people to be saved and teaching that God is evil on the doctrine of Hell is somewhat related to allowing or encouraging murder, rape or pedophilia. It is not. Yet you made the argument either way. My argument was, rather, that my desire is that even those people shall be saved, and not eternally lost, since they are human beings and souls with feelings too, that needs to be loved.

Yes, there is punishment for the wicked. You know this, I know this, everyone know this. The world herself even punishes the wicked, and so does God too. But should the punishment be eternal? That is the question. The only true and charitable answer is NO! Eternal punishments in eternal, unmerciful and INSUFFERABLE TORMENTS is evil, and God is evil for allowing this, just as Hitler was evil for allowing people to be raped, murdered and being unjustly tortured in concentration camps. As a lawyer, you would have to admit this in a court of law, or simply by being honest, that Hitler was evil. Yet you excuse a worse crime and criminal then even Hitler when it comes to God that pales in comparison with even Hitler or Stalin or anyone else --- even the devil! – i.e., GOD AND HIS EVIL HELL AND ETERNAL DAMNATION IN INSUFFERABLE TORMENTS; because only God is the author and willer of this, and no one else!

For example, If God did not will this eternal damnation or Hell, you would not will this eternal damnation upon anyone either, and so this shows us that only God is the author of this evil doctrine on damnation, since every Christian would change position on damnation if God told them too do so! But this argument in itself proves that Hell is unjust, since everyone would reject God if he taught us to murder or do rape! Why then embrace a change on damnation if he told us to do so if it was unjust? Answer: To save people from damnation and working on their conversion and happiness is not unjust, hence that a change of view is possible, and why it is now happening in God's Church, the Vatican II!

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “Even if punishment were TEMPORARY it still would be unjust because they get eternal happiness thereafter.”

Jerome answers: This answer makes me both angry and sad at the same time. What you wrote is pure heresy – a heresy against the law of love and of forgiveness – i.e., the will to eternally deny someone the possibility of repentance and forgiveness and even love and happiness in the next life! It is the worst kind of heresy and the most evil to ever have existed, and people only fall into this the most evil position, will and thought that has ever existed by excusing an evil doctrine and an evil God by allowing him to damn our children through forced belief -- but this belief and damnation is clearly unjust and false as everyone who truly loves their fellow other brother and sister truly knows!

So back to the example of children being damned already mentioned before: Did you know that Saint Alphonsus gave an example of a 5 year old child being damned after contracting a habit of blaspheming, and that he died in blasphemy and was seen in Hell? According to your evil heresy, THIS CHILD DOES NOT DESERVE FORGIVENESS, AND MUST BE ETERNALLY TORMENTED IN A SEA OF FIRE FOR ALL ETERNITY. Are you not ashamed of yourself? Perhaps you should look your own small child in the eyes that you love and feel ashamed that your arguments have led to this conclusion of unforgiveness – only because you want to defend an evil doctrine and an evil God. (That is why you only try to mention the worst cases of people being evil or damned such as Hitler and murderers, and not also the most damaging for the opposite side, such as children being damned for things that only offended a God.)

You would not want your own children to be tormented and damned forever, and if you had the say or power to do so in Heaven, I am sure you would have forgiven them even if they had died in God's displeasure. So in short: If you were God instead of God, I am sure you would do all in your power to excuse and forgive and save your own children, family and spouse if they had been damned. I guess you would have done the same with everyone else too, and not only your own family because if you could do so and had the power, why would you not? Do you not see then that you only hold your evil belief of the damned being denied love, happiness and forgiveness is because you are slaving after an evil dictator God who wishes to damn souls? and that you are afraid to condemn him and stand your ground on a truer justice above God's injustice?

A murderer can be converted and become good and loving. It happens all the time in this life. Therefore, to deny him the chance of repentance in the next life in order to always torment him instead in insufferable torments just because God said so (and that was the only reason really, because God wants this even if you or I don't), is pure evil to the max and against all justice and love and charity and kindness. Therefore, God is the worst of dictator that needs to be removed from his power and rulership. But I already explained all of this, but it seems nothing really stuck on you.

If your argument is that people in Hell always are evil and never want to convert or become good and are therefore undeserving, I will explain myself again and give an explanation (and I already did in the post, but it is worth repeating): If souls condemned by God are evil, this is because God made them evil since he rejected them and removed all grace from them before damning them.

Also, how could one love if one lives in a sea of fire and all kinds of possible torments? Would you be able to love your neighbour if you suffered insufferable torments at the same time, without hope and without love, or would you start to hate also even if you did not want too? Yes, you would hate, and so would I. Therefore, God is evil that forces men, angels and souls to hate by depriving them of happiness, love, hope and forgiveness, and of living a life without forgiveness and by always being tormented!

Also, to the argument that they are always evil and do not want to convert, I answer: That is plainly false. They might hate God with an unforgiving love. I admit that. But that is only because God deserves it (until the time they can actually and truly forgive him) since he was the cause for their eternal damnation and insufferable torments. The damned are my friends, since I desire their good. They do not hate me, and they actually love me and I them, and we will be a family in the next life. You can believe this if you want, or you can deny it, but it is true nonetheless that I do not hate them and that I believe they are good, since I desire them good. If people do good, they receive love. Hence, if we do them good, we will receive good. If we do them evil or desire them evil (like God does) is it any strange that we receive hatred? Of course not. Therefore, do good to everyone, even evil people, and they will quickly be converted and start to love. Without love, evil people won't be converted.

Another argument I did post on this subject, if not in this post, in some of the earlier one's, was this: If humans on earth do not want to live in even temporary torments or hate, why would they want to do this in the next life – unless their hatred for this God who condemned them was so great? But in that case, a simple solution: let someone else be their God who desires their good and who is more deserving to be God then even God himself is, since this good person or better God desires more good then this evil God (as I like to call him) – and then all would be good!

Again, if humans don't want to live in torments, why would a soul and body want to do this in the next life? Answer: They won't, unless for the only reason that they had no hope or love for this God that damned them. Yes, according to Revelation, their hatred for God and everything God is so great that they actually want to be damned. But this by itself shows that they are sick, since it is not a good thing to live in hate and torments just because they can't stand the God who rejected them. That is why my solution of letting someone else be their God, who is also more deserving, solves this problem. Him they would not hate, since this person is not the same God or the one who damned and rejected them.

Also, let the damned be sent back to earth one more time in body and soul and live in human understanding and happiness, and ask this soul that previously was damned and hated God, if he would want to hate or live in eternal torments if there was forgiveness and acceptance from God (or another God). What do you think this person would answer? I think he would answer that he do not wish to live in eternal torments and hate (but if he did, he would be sick and would be denied this request by me and would simply just get a new life (be born anew like a child) in order to be healed and start to love again). If that is the case (as it also provenly is) that there are real solutions that all are better than damning our children, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers, friends and neighbours etc. – why then deny fallen angels, humans and souls or the children in damned Limbo this chance of a new life, or to live in at least worldly happiness even if they wanted to hate God? Is God so evil that he does not even allow any of the damned to live in human happiness and he must torment them instead always in a Hell with fire and insufferable, indescribable torments?

Since humans on earth before being rejected by God and before being damned by God or by their own conscience (which is also a kind of force by the way since this conscience follows God's own forced rules) did not want to be damned or hate but love and feel love (since humans on earth so obviously loves and desires love): this proves that it is God's judgment that destroys something in humans and souls at the judgment. As I understand it, it is God's rejection of a soul that creates this eternal hate and strife between them. Therefore, it was God's fault that this happened since he could have accepted them and forgiven them and worked for their eternal salvation and happiness (worked for all eternity too for some kind of solution that they might be saved, forgiven etc. but he did not and just rejected them and allowed them to be damned) even if they were sinful and died sinful.

If God does not want the damned as his own, I will gladly take them as my own children, and I will forgive them and let them live in happiness, and I can promise you, I would spend all eternity trying to make them become good if it really turns out they (the damned) are evil (but I don't really believe the "damned" are evil or hate those who accept and love them). But even so, with faith in love and goodness, and if they where given love by us, how could not not become converted easily? That is why I know no one can remain eternally evil if they are only accepted and loved, and that is why God was the worst kind of heretic by not believing in hope for the damned and the hope and goodness and love for others and its infallible power to draw people into goodness.

But to speak more in line with faith in miracles etc. even if it sounds wrong since it gives doubt for their conversion (as if anyone can deny true love and not love back!), more can be said about it. Even if the damned were truly evil, with all eternity on our back and with faith too in goodness, love and forgiveness, who says that a "miracle" could not happen and they eventually became converted, good, kind and lovable in justice and from evil into goodness even if God did not believe this would happen hence that he damned them? That is the power of goodness and of faith, that something unexpected could happen if we only dare to believe in this! So why then believe in eternal hate and eternal unforgiveness and eternal torments and eternal unhappiness for others and the damned when one can believe in eternal love, hope, happiness and forgiveness for them instead? That people choose the former and not the latter even after having it explained to them is the most sad and also the most evil choices  people do in this life (their fear of being damned themselves for questioning God is just to great). It is this poor choice of God and of his deceived and brainwashed children who died with the same faith that made him and them loose the respect of the damned and of me and of everyone else in the world that hates his unjust Hell.

However, since Heaven is just even if God is not, those in Heaven will change their views on Hell and damnation, and as a matter of fact, they have already done this! And I have been in communication with them on this point and have both warned them and told them that they are evil and heretics if they do not rebell against God on this point of eternal unforgiveness for the damned and they have agreed with me, and so have God himself, for how can God reject a truer justice above his own so-called "justice" that also desires good upon all of our children and also his own when he has no right to do so ---- since his previous will on damnation and unforgiveness was clearly unjust and is now even being condemned by his Church which now instead embrace a position of forgiving the damned and giving salvation to everyone else too? You may believe this if you want that I am in contact with Heaven, but if you believe in justice and Vatican II, you can embrace the position on Universal Salvation freely and with a good conscience whether you believe in me or not. But my point is that I am trying to be just, even more just than God himself, hence that I have earned all of Heavens respect and obedience, and so will you, if you only care about being just and you truly love your fellow brothers and sisters and not wishing them evil in an eternal Hell.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “So why be like St Francis of Assisi when you can be like Hitler and end up in the same place? Your position makes God unjust.”

Jerome answers: The fact that you even asks me this question and then ends if with “would make God be unjust” makes me angry and sad. Why be good when you can be evil, you ask? We desire to be good and love because goodness and love is truth. When we are evil and do evil, we reject our nature and become lost from our true self. That is why all people desire goodness and to be good, even if not all people are good or do as much good as others.

When we do evil and do wrong, we feel bad and feel ashamed, but never can we say the same about being good and doing good. No, we only feel good in our innermost being when doing and thinking good about others and about doing good, and we also gain the kindness and thanks of our fellow brothers and sisters, since they also desire and love goodness, happiness and love. But to the contrary, if we do evil, we feel their wrath and displeasure.

So we should be good because being good is to be who we were created to be, but when we are evil and do evil, we become what we were not supposed to be.

BUT THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE CHOOSE THE WRONG PATH IN LIFE DOES NOT MEAN, ONCE AGAIN, THAT THEY MUST BE UNFORGIVEN AND HATED AND TORMENTED FOR ALL ETERNITY AS GOD DESIRES IT IN HIS EVIL HELL. That position, action and thought is unjust and evil. Will bad people be healed by being treated like they are worthless? Of course not. How then will the damned be healed if they are simply rejected and thrown away like worthless trash in a fire to live without hope, without love, and without forgiveness, for all eternity too? Answer: They won't be healed, which is why Hell is an evil doctrine, since it does not heal the wounds, but makes them worse. Only love, hope and forgiveness will heal, which is why I believe in love and not hatred.

So your argument that God would be unjust if he allowed someone like Hitler happiness and forgiveness as opposed to eternal, unmerciful torments is evil and false, and in fact heretical.

Could not Hitler be good or become converted? Why then deny him this conversion? If everyone can be converted whilst living on Earth (as even you admit) why deny them this possibility in the next life? HENCE, THEY CAN BE CONVERTED, BUT ARE DENIED THIS POSSIBILITY, even if they died unconverted. But the choice to deny conversion and forgiveness to angels, humans and souls and spirits in the next life was God's idea, not mine, not yours, and not your neighbours, not even the Virgin Mary thought of this, but God alone did. It was God's evil idea that people only have one chance for forgiveness and salvation – and that was this one and only life – but not in the next.

Since they can be converted but are denied this possibility, this "Catholic" God (which by the way, Pope Francis justly rejected!) is evil and the most evil ever to have existed and evil beyond measure for denying people the chance of converting and instead of converting them and allowing them to become good and happy and love, he wishes and desires the most evil torments over them in insufferable, indescribable torments that even God himself in several Revelations have admitted are intolerable, unendurable torments! – and this, according to this evil God dictator, shall go on forever only because HE DESIRES SO!

You mentioned St. Francis and Hitler in your comment and spoke of eternal unforgiveness for Hitler and the damned, whereas I mentioned Devils and Demons and the Damned in my post (did you even read it?) and spoke of Salvation and Forgiveness for them and for Hitler, and of Conversion of Hearts as that of little children so that they in fact will become like children by having been accepted and forgiven by us. So whereas I focus in goodness and hope and love, you only focus on negativity and unforgiveness and unlove, and this has only happened because you are slaving after one God and his evil will -- and that was all! Please, wake up and see that your position is evil and false, and that better solutions are offered.

This is what I wrote about Hitler and the damned. Please read it again:

“I did not mention devils or demons because it does not matter. They exist, but they have become, or will be good in my belief, since I have given them hope and forgiveness, so they are my friends. Do you think I want even the devil (or Hitler) to be damned? No, I wish his salvation and happiness, and I will fight for that all the damned will be saved. And in my belief and in that of Origen, everyone will be saved in the end. Yes everyone, and that includes the devil (and Hitler). What is hard to believe with that the devil himself (or Hitler) could make himself become like a little child and start to love if he was only forgiven and was granted happiness and love? How can demons love or have hope if they are only tormented and live without hope? Can't you see that they are forced to hate? If you don't believe me, try to torment yourself or be tormented by someone in insufferable torments, and then tell me what you think and if you are happy with this life or if you start to fell an urge to hate! If someone tormented you and you had no hope and you could not bear it, and you thought this would endure forever and there was no hope and you received no consolation from anyone, you will start to hate. Can one live in insufferable torments and not start to hate when one cannot bear it? Even I would have started to hate God and even Mary if I was always tormented in insufferable torments and I had no hope of being released. Not that I want to hate, but if one is not forgiven or granted love or happiness, it only seems natural to start to hate those who deny you this happiness. Hence Hell is evil, since it forces us to hate. Without love and hope, there is only darkness and hate.”

“If there was a movie were an evil dictator like God was deprived of his power and those damned children saved from a Hell (like with Hitler and the concentration camps) then you would cry and be happy that this evil man was hindered and prevented from doing evil, and you would be happy over the tormented people's release and salvation and forgiveness. But when it comes to God and his heaven or hell, then you do not dare to think like this, and you will only let God have his will, even damning billions and billions of children, elderly, men and women, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers, lovers, husband, wives and lovers etc. and you do not even think a person who fights against God like against Hitler is doing a good and noble deed, BUT RATHER, THAT HE IS EVIL, A HERETIC, AND DECEIVED, as if it is to be "deceived" to desire the eternal happiness and salvation and love for our fellow brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers and children.” (Extracts taken from: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “2. In the strict sense, God does not condemn anyone to Hell. The person chooses it.”

Jerome answers: I know this argument. I also held this before I got courage to actually blame God instead. I answer: If people truly choose damnation in front of God because their conscience forces it, this is a kind of force, since the conscience follows God's own laws, and not our own well being. I can assure you that I do not want to be damned. If you say I do desire to be damned you would be lying. Therefore, if I desire to be damned in the next life, that only happened because I would be overwhelmed by feelings alien and foreign to me that makes it unjust and impossible to resist. If I do not want to be damned as a human with a human reasoning, I certainly do not want to be damned in the next judgment when I look at everything differently. Since feelings can be deceptive and even can be abused (such as by God), I would guess the feelings in that case must be severe and excessive, and almost impossible to reject. Is that just? Of course not. But then again, nothing is just with a Hell and eternal torments, so the fact that people choose a Hell in God's judgment does not surprise me, since I can see already that there is foul play at hand – because humans with a human reasoning will not and will never want to be eternally tormented or live in a sea of fire for all eternity. That is just common sense and reason. Hence, the argument that people choose Hell by themselves fails and is unjust, since this own condemnation of conscience to an eternal Hell is forced upon the soul with feelings foreign to our current understanding. It is unjust to judge the soul or body separate from each other, or from an understanding different from common human reasoning that looks to its own well being.

But aside from the argument that people choose damnation for themselves, this argument fails for many other reasons also and does not excuse God, because it was God that created Hell in the first place and he also allows souls and bodies and spirits (angels) to be sent there. For example, is Hitler excused for his crime of allowing people to be murdered in concentration camps even if he did not will or allow this in his own person? Of course not! He knew it occurred and that it happened, and yet allowed it. God is guilty for the same reasons: that he allows souls and bodies and spirits (that does not know their own good or best) to damn themselves in insufferable torments. On earth human laws and justice demands that you help sick people and people that cannot help themselves or that hurts themselves. Yet God allows a soul to damn itself and judge itself worthy of eternal, insufferable torments in a sea of fire, without love and hope, and does not hinder it? That is evil. If you allowed your child to torment itself and you did not hinder it, you would be evil and be judged undeserving by the world. And what would you judge yourself? Yet God allows those who he hate to judge themselves and torment themselves for all eternity without helping them? That is because he is evil that he does and allows this. Otherwise, he would show compassion and mercy towards those sick souls even if they died in his displeasure, and he would do them good, and not evil.

So even if souls judge themselves and send themselves to Hell (as the argument goes), God ultimately allows it and permits it and, most importantly, HE DOES NOT STOP IT OR HINDER IT FROM OCCURRING! That makes him guilty, of course, which is why the secular laws condemns such evil negligence and uncharitable behavior severely. So God is guilty, and will not be forgiven unless he repents from his evil ways, for a changing of heart is needed before someone truly can forgive someone that beliefs or does evil to others; and even if he would never repent, he will still be loved and accepted by us because love and acceptance (like in a prison) is needed in order to convert someone and be converted.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “God gives everyone the grace necessary to be good and be saved. Think of it this way: If I choose to smoke, I choose to forsake my health. If I choose sin, I choose that creature or action over God.”

Jerome answers: God does give grace, true, but he also removes grace and allows souls to be damned by their own choice (if they choose an evil path). So what is your point? That one must follow God's laws absolutely or risk his wrath and displeasure for all eternity without the possibility of ever being forgiven, and that if one becomes unworthy in his eyes, one has become worthy to be damned (for God views those worthy of damnation as worthy of this, sadly) by not being forgiven in the next life if one died in his displeasure? Granted, God claims he gives everyone the graces necessary to be forgiven and saved in this life, even to the most unworthy, but this once again is only after his own pleasure and liking, and that is also why most are not saved, since most are unworthy of these graces according to the life they live. Had I been God, had my own rules been different and more humans received those most important graces so they could be saved? I do believe so, but who knows, perhaps I would have been a worse God and I just can't know the truth of this since I was never the original God from the beginning, but there is also a reason for why I was created a human first and why I was allowed to learn human justice also and not only following my own will. And because of the life God gave me I now desire to save the angels, humans and souls that God desires to damn... So perhaps I would have been truly just and saved them, and I wonder if that is why I was graced with being created a human being with free will first so that I could rebell against God on the points he is unjust about and become more just than him and even earn his place, since he was never worthy of this title to begin with!

This one example alone shows us that God has only decided for himself of who will and who will not be forgiven according to the standards he has set, and that it could be different --- if he had chosen to. So more could receive those graces of repentance (even those not deserving of them according to his own standards even if they are evil) so that more souls could be saved, but sadly, this is not the case. We know this because God himself admits that the "road to Heaven is small and that most are damned." (Matthew 7:13-14)

Only in Heaven will we know this truth: if God by his own choice made the way small by being over-severely harsh and unforgiving, or if there are more truths not known to us that must be overcome first, before forgiving and moving on (for I do believe even the damned will be saved in the end when true justice rules also in Heaven) such as that the bad are not truly damned, but only in a prison and will be released, when they have repented.

Good or bad, it does not really matter. There is no excuse with damning bad people for all eternity in insufferable torments when they can become good, love and converted if we only have faith and hope in this, i.e., in goodness, love, hope and forgiveness! and if they only had the chance, or were given the opportunity... which they are not given or granted in the current Hell we know about. That is why Hell and unforgiveness and unlove and unhope is so evil.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “3. There are fallacious appeals to pity. “Would you want someone you love to go to Hell” etc. would you want someone you love to go to jail? No! But what if they killed people and were not fit to be in society? We should let them roam free because you don’t want them to be where they belong?””

Jerome answers: What a bad and stupid argument! Because someone received God's displeasure --- whether they be grown ups or children, such as an un-confessed nun (or 5 year old child) that I have read about that lived a good life but yet were eternally damned only because she was ashamed to confess her sin! --- such and the likes of these deserve to be damned for all eternity? No, they do not deserve to be damned, as the woman in this example has committed no real crime against any true or just law, as even you understand. Her only “crime” was against God's will that she must confess, and that was all! Otherwise she did perhaps nothing wrong towards anyone, no sins, and no offences etc. Perhaps you should read more stories about tragic cases of humans and souls being damned, and then you would see that most of them were not evil in the sense of being murderers or thieves. They did not do evil, except perhaps against God's will. In other words, they did good to others, but failed to live up to God's standards! However, even if they were evil and murderers or thieves, they still do not deserve eternal, insufferable torments! A prison without torments would have been more just, with the possibility to be forgiven (released) whenever they had a change of heart. That is how it works in the world, and had it occurred in any other way in the secular world today – such as they live in insufferable torments in the prison and are treated unjustly and inhumanly – not only had the secular laws condemned this, but also you would have condemned those people severely who acted in this unjust way against those prisoners even if they were formerly guilty or criminals because of their cruel and inhuman treatment and injustice. So in short, you would have defended criminals in this world against such injustices as just made mention of, but you would not have defended criminals in the next and eternal life against the same or even worse injustices perpetuated by an unjust God because according to you, they deserve it all even if they suffer forever! This evil and false and unjust judgment against all justice that you are guilty of is called hypocritical judgment and considering persons and things not in the light of justice... So truth, justice, forgiveness, hope and love are denied the damned in the next life by you, but similarly unjustly treated humans or souls are granted this justice in this life? You literally makes no sense, because you judge differently in this life compared to the next and the only reason for this is because a God said so...

And even worse, you also heretically said that it was unjust to forgive them (the damned). Your position is a heresy and total apostasy and is evil. Perhaps you did not understand the implication of your position, but you did say forgiving the damned (such as an unconfessed nun or a murderer or a damned 5 year old child) would be “unjust” and “make God unjust,” since it would be “wrong” to let such a soul live in happiness in Heaven! What an evil position! So the soul must live in eternal damnation and insufferable torments that would have murdered you immediately had you even felt a fraction of it!, and according to you they can't be forgiven from this ETERNAL LIFE IN MISERY YOU EVIL PIECE OF SHIT and must remain damned for all eternity, even if they want to be forgiven and love? Is that really your position? That is pure evil and satanic if it is, yet sadly, all evidence indicates that this is truly and really your position, which, tragically, only has happened and been embraced by you and many others because you blindly and brainwashedly follow one God instead of true justice which is embraced by all the just -- wherever they are.

I am sure you would not consider an unconfessed nun or a five year old child a danger to society, yet God judged them worthy of eternal Hellfire in insufferable torments in the examples I read. Of course, dishonest as you are, you only mentioned the more "fitting" examples for your position in your comment, such as murderers and dangerous criminals that must be jailed, but failed to notice or think about all others that similarly are damned that were not murderers or evil in the same way. But does it really matter if they were more evil or less evil in the examples you gave? No!, since all eternal damnation is satanically and eternally evil. According to God, those whom he deems worthy of damnation will be damned even if they were good to others and good people in general in this life if they happened to have died in his displeasure. That is because it is enough to be damned, according to God's evil judgment, if one only died in his displeasure even if you did good to everyone else during your whole life! That, again, is completely evil and satanic and it is easy to see why God is the true Devil and the most evil God or person to have ever lived or faced existence, since he eternally damns (in the worst possible torments imaginable) billions and billions and billions of humans, angels, spirits and souls! yet stupid and evil people like you, think this is a good thing! Get lost, you stupid Christians who are so stupid and unjust that I just rage with wrath against your injustice and condemnation and torment of all of these good and innocent people, that all could become converted and love!

Introibo Ad Altare Dei asks: “Praying for your conversion.”

Jerome answers: Thanks. But it is you who need to be converted after this shameful post you made about the damned souls not being worthy of forgiveness and happiness... You stupid and evil person!

Introibo, why don't you throw yourself in a live volcano (praying for a grace not to die but feeling all the pain) or cut and thrust yourself unmercifully with a knife such as in your abdomen and stomach so that you will feel insufferable torments and then tell me if you think you would want to live such an eternity, or if you desire such a fate for others, i.e., FOR YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS, MOTHERS AND FATHERS, CHILDREN AND NEIGHBOURS! for if you are honest, you would admit that you do not desire this for either yourself or others, and if you are even more honest, you would admit that a dictator on earth would be evil if he tormented his subjects in similar ways if they happened to have incurred his displeasure, yet you hypocritically judge "God" who does infinitely worse to our very children with a different standard than you judge men on earth, and not only that, but you also completely and wholly excuse God from guilt as if he does no wrong at all for allowing billions and billions and billions (who knows how many there are who truly damned, yet most that have lived are damned according to himself) and billions of loving capable humans, angels, spirits and souls to be eternally damned and live in the worst possible torments imaginable, and for all eternity too!

When one starts to defend Hell and God, all reason and justice will be thrown out the window and true and formal evil and unforgiveness and unhope and unlove and the personal support for tormenting others for all eternity, will be propagated! That is what has happened to you, Introibo! You should look your neighbour and your own child and spouse and father and mother in the eyes and feel ashamed of yourself for what you have done and thought against them, i.e., that they would have deserved such an eternity in unimaginable torments only because one stupid God wants this when, in reality, his words or will means nothing and must be rejected, for if we reject him and condemn him for his injustices, he will see that he is wrong and repent and humble himself and change his position on damnation, as is obvious if you are only reasonable and logical about this position, since we are more right!

I hope you see the light.

I will pray for you.

Signed,

Ville Hietanen (Jerome)

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