This article is in response to a comment made by Introbio, in which he thinks he answered my arguments or questions and made a proper response as to why damnation is just (according to him), and why I will refute him.
Keep in mind that this persons who refuses to answer questions, is a lawyer by degree and work who is supposed to defend people from injustices (but apparently not from the injustice of Hell!).
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Response: I used those words in
context of this (below). If you don't see that this as stupid or
retarded, then what will?:
“Did you know
St. Alphonsus wrote about a vision of a 5 year old child that was
burning in Hell? According to your idiotic (and unjust) position, you
would find a problem with (and even say that God was unjust) if this
child was being granted forgiveness and salvation – as you in fact
already shamefully, idiotically and tragically expressed to me in
your previously retarded comment that I responded too, and that you
shamefully ignored and avoided giving a response too (i.e., Introibo
wrote in to me in order to say that God would really be unjust if he
forgave a damned soul that, according to him, deserves damnation and
not forgiveness! Stupid, stupid, stupid...).” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-the-salvation-of-all-human-beings-souls-and-angels-an-illogical-position.html
)
Yes, according to your stupid belief,
this child does not deserve forgiveness or responsible parenting in
the next life so that he can become good again and converted, but he
“deserves” damnation and must always live in a Hell to be
tormented forever without ever feeling love, hope, forgiveness or
happiness ever again! Do you see now why I called your position
retarded, and why you are stupid? That is because you have no sense
of justice, and because you are only slaving after a God – and that
is all. Instead of wishing and declaring that responsible parenting
would be a just judgment for this child in the next life so that we
can be friends and love each other instead of hating and tormenting
each other, you flat out evilly and heretically declare that he must
be damned and burn and be tormented for all eternity in a Hell that
is unmerciful and evil.
What if this child was your own child?
Surely, you would not want him to be damned, and you would wish there
was hope. Think the same of others children then too, and do not
evilly declare that damnation is “good” or “just”, because you would
never have made such a judgment if you where God, hence, this
position is evil, as you know. Because if you had
the power, you would make a different judgment of bad people than
eternal damnation. Hence damnation is false, and evil, otherwise,
if it was true, you would judge the same and send people to Hell if
you where God, but you
would not. Be
honest, ANSWER; you coward! (I already asked you this question, and
received no response.
I also wrote this concerning the
article: “In this article, I will try to make you respond [by being
severe] and make you understand in a grave and serious way that your
position is stupid and illogical.” (Ibid.)
You wrote: “All of your
objections are answered. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.” (Ibid.)
Response: No, they are not. I
have already written two whole articles full of arguments and
questions so far just for you, and your articles does not address my
questions or arguments at all (otherwise, point out were you go
through my writings or comments point by point and answering them as
I do with you). Your Hell article may touch some of the topics I
discuss, but it was not addressed to me hence it does not actually
answer the points I bring up, so how can you say every objection or
argument has been answered, when this is clearly not the case, and I
can prove to you that you have not answered my questions even in this
article, as we will see.
For example, you have not address any
single argument on point of true justice in your comments or articles except the false argument “that
God says so”, or “that it must be so”, or “we must believe so” but this is not justice,
as I explained in the article because justice is not based upon
what one man or woman or God says, but rather, it
is based on what true justice really is, and God is not just
with his Hell, as even you know, since you would not damn anyone
if you yourself received the power by God over the damned to do what
you want, for then you would forgive them... ANSWER THIS QUESTION
NOW YOU COWARD SINCE IT PERTAINS TO JUSTICE AND PROVES THE POINT;
THAT JUSTICE IS NOT BASED ON WHAT ONE MAN OR WOMAN SAYS, BUT
AGAIN, ON WHAT TRUE JUSTICE REALLY IS, and then explain from your
brainwashed Christian perspective “why this would be just” (even
though it is not) to damn someone based on justice not
seen from a brainwashed Christian's God's perspective WHEN THE SAME
CRIME IF IT HAPPENED ON EARTH YOU WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED IN A HUMAN
PERSON YOU HYPOCRITE BLIND PERSON, as my articles are out to
explain and make you understand, but you just refuse to see it. But
trust me, I will make a specific reply to your article also in due
time, but not right now. But soon I will, and then, what will you
say? That everything has been answered even though it has not been answered and even been refuted?
Besides, my intro continued like this,
and what do you have to say about it you avoider of questions and
arguments and despiser of justice, you fake lawyer and respecter of
persons:
“Had God been a
man, or rather, if God had been Hitler, would Introibo (who is a real
lawyer) have condemned him and called him evil, not only in a court
of law, but also outside of it? Of course he would. He would not, as
a lawyer, defend someone like Hitler or justifiably defend their evil
crimes against humanity even though Hitler was the ruler and wanted
this punishment to happen to those who incurred his displeasure. But
the problem here is that GOD ALSO WANTS THIS PUNISHMENT TO HAPPEN TO
THOSE WHO HAVE INCURRED HIS DISPLEASURE JUST LIKE HITLER DID! So why
is Introibo, who is supposed to be just and not judge according to
persons, making a different judgment or ruling when it comes to a God
that is different from the judgment he would make against Hitler when
they are guilty of the same crime? I will tell you why, and that is
because Introibo is a respecter of persons or God rather then a
respecter of true justice and true charity which wills good; a
justice which defends men and condemns God when man shall be defended
and God be condemned.
“I
know for a fact that Introibo condemns Hitler for the evil he did and
he does not excuse him. He publicly states this as a fact on his
blog. So why does he excuse God when God do even worse? If the
argument is that God is God and hence “he must always be obeyed”
and also, “God wills no evil whatever he commands since he is
righteous and just” and so “we must always have faith and believe
no matter what” – if one actually follows such evil and
unreasonable logic of mere “obedience” (as most Christians do in
relation to God) to whatever is commanded (like both Hitler and God
demands or demanded from their people) rather than following the
truth of always adhering too and following the true justice no matter
what even if a so called God condemns you for it, then one is not
actually truly defending people or following the true justice of
defending real love and goodness (that desires good and happiness
upon everyone) or being reasonable or logical at all, but one is
rather defending evil and respecting persons and instead of being
just, becomes unjust, unreasonable and illogical in defending evil;
not only any evil, but the worst evil that has ever existed and been
implemented by anyone at anytime! Thus, no greater injustice than
Hell has ever existed, yet the fewest people condemn it or defend
people from incurring this infinite and infallible injustice. It is
really tragic, and sad.” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-the-salvation-of-all-human-beings-souls-and-angels-an-illogical-position.html)
Answer why you judge God different from
Hitler when they are both guilty of the same crime and they both damn
innocent people, for God also damns or condemns people to
Concentration Camps of Hell for nothing, such as merely being ashamed
to confess one single sin! And this is clearly unjust according to
all just laws, as even the lawyer you are should know, if you are but
honest, because this is not a crime in the world or by the world, but
only declared so by “God”.
If you won't answer my argument or
questions, then it is because you are dishonest and are afraid to be
exposed. Otherwise, answer my arguments and questions, you coward,
because I have already answered yours.
You wrote: “You used to be a
rabid Feeneyite and even considered enjoyment of the marital act
"mortal sin." Now you are a total apostate.” (Ibid.)
Response: What has been is
different from what is now. But even so, no, I did not directly say
the marital act was sinful, only that excess was sinful. But this
“excess” judged by us was too much and we were wrong, and I was
also brainwashed by my brother, but I have changed position now and
when he moved out, I started to distance my self from his influence.
That is the truth with my position, and now I embrace the teachings
of Vatican II and Alphonsus on sexual activity.
You wrote: “In your article
above you DENY that there is one true Church. Beliefs don't matter,
nor do actions.” (Ibid.)
Response: No, I don't deny it, I
only explained that Vatican II is this Church since the previous
Church was blind and deceived in their view that damnation is just or
that only Christians or Catholic can be saved. And God tells us to
listen to the Church for a reason, and that is because God also
learns from the Church. Since damnation is evil and everyone knows it
is (otherwise, if you where God you would also damn souls but you
would not do this, please ANSWER HONESTLY!) hence we know
damnation is evil and hence, Vatican II follow the true teaching and
they even teach to God, and God listen to the Church and hence,
changes his positions or understands them better. Hence, Vatican II
is the true Church moving towards the right direction. That is my
position. So you said wrong, because I don't deny the Church, it is
just you who deny that Vatican II is the Church – and that is all.
Neither did I say beliefs or actions does not matter. All I said was that even if people fail in life, forgiveness must be open to them. To argue that those who died in failure must always be damned and tormented because they made mistakes in life is evil, because people change and convert everyday but this conversion would be denied in a Hell where conversion and betterment is not possible, and where salvation and forgiveness is not granted, and that is also why Hell is the worst evil that has ever existed.
Also, even if conversion never happens, still, it is undeniably evil and unjust to torment sick and evil people or souls forever, because if we act like this towards them, then we are no better then they. And that is why evil people on earth is looked up in prison while being allowed to live in happiness in the prison with some form of freedom, and they are not denied betterment or conversion of soul and mind from evil, and if they become good people and role models, they may even be released or will be released in due time.
But still, I do not believe conversion is not possible, because how can love, goodness and truth be resisted forever when love, goodness and truth is true? Therefore, I do believe in hope, and therefore, I always believe total conversion is possible from evil for anyone whatever God in his blindness claims about it, even the devil himself, even if it takes many eternities. (God says a damned soul will never convert, be good or love, but this is false, because it is God whom they hate because he does them evil, and not that they hate everyone, because they had love in them and loved others while on earth.)
You wrote: “Why then did God
become Man and die on the cross? What was He saving us from, if not
Hell?”
Response: I will give you an answer from another
article and person I spoke with. This is my answer:
““If
there is no hell, Jesus came and died for nothing.”
Answer: God only died for the Saved according to his laws
anyway, so yes, in a sense he died for nothing because Christ refused
to be truly universal and he lets billions be lost, because they are
“unworthy” his graces. Do you know what this might mean? That the
true Christ perhaps is yet to come, if this other Christ was no the
true Christ. Because why would a true God be selfish, and only apply
salvation to those who are worthy according to himself? Salvation
must be applied according to justice, and not on any personal
motives. And according to justice, everyone is worthy of salvation,
because everyone can love and become good and give love [but this is
denied by God to ever happen in his evil Hell].” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
You ask what God saved us from? I
answer. From his own selfishness in desiring humans to be like he
desires us to be and the grave consequences if we failed, but this is
not justice, but injustice.
I wrote about this before in another
article like this:
“Rules more
often then not is the cause and giver of sin, and not the fact that
breaking a law is sinful in actuality when the breaking of it entails
no evil to anyone, except for the dictatorial and hypocritical
lawgiver, who seems to desire obedience above all else and not mercy
and love. For example, if God gave us our will to live our life and
have our free will, such as marrying a Protestant or a so-called
“heretic” or a relative even if the Church condemned this, then
no disobedience would have been enacted, and no “sin” been
committed by be so-called guilty person. (Mixed marriages was not
always approved by the Church, and marrying before in time against
the will of the Church was an excommunicable “offense”, since
such disobedience was deemed mortally sinful and damnable, even if
you loved the spouse.) The same can be said about many other things,
such as confessing our sins to a priest, which is an obligation in
the Catholic Church under pain of mortal sin. But if someone were
ashamed to confess their sin even though they felt sorrow, they would
be damned, according to God's law, even if they were completely
honest and good persons otherwise. Hence, it is God's law that
creates sin, and not the persons itself, since marrying someone or
being ashamed to confess, is not in itself a sin or evil (marrying is
even love, as we know, so love is damnation?), but God has only
decided to view it as “mortally sinful and damnable disobedience”,
even though these are trifling matters in reality even according to
the world's standards, since these acts are not judged sinful or as
criminal on the earth. Rules, however, that is according to
conscience, justice and our hearts, i.e., that is about doing good
unto others and ourselves, are true laws and must be followed, but if
someone failed to keep these laws, this is still no reason for
eternally damning them! No, forgiveness and love must be open to
everyone, even evil people, so that they too may have a chance to
become good!” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
You wrote: “Wait Jerome--YOUR
"God" doesn't think Hitler is bad or unjust! He's going to
Heaven the same as St Francis of Assisi!!” (Ibid.)
Response: False, I never said
that, I never said Hitler was not unjust or bad, you unjust, blind
dishonest person. How many times did I already mention Hitler was
evil, unjust and bad in my articles and in the article you just read?
Yet you lie or take me out of context or misunderstood something
because either you have nothing honest to say, or you are just stupid
and blind (which in fact you also are).
What I said was essentially this: If
someone was evil and yet truly repented with sincerity and yet a God
or even you would not forgive him, you would be evil and would be
worse than even Hitler himself that chose love in the end, whereas
you did not by not forgiving him, you evil man if you would not
forgive him -- and for all eternity too?! Evil Hell, apostasy
doctrine of true heresy from all love and justice for sure! And that
is also why every reasonable person (like atheists and other people
and religious of other faiths and even Christians who dislike Hell)
do not like Hell or even contradicts it or condemns it!
Since you are so blind to conversion
from evil and forgiveness and hope even in the afterlife because God
has brainwashed you, let me remind you of what I wrote previously to
other people about bad people converting and being saved so that you
may not take me out of context anymore or misunderstand anything.
This is what I have written, both about
the devil, and Hitler:
“Why do you
think Vatican II moves away from this evil doctrine of Hell and
separation if not because they have started to accept true justice
and the law of conscience which desires and wishes good upon
everyone, including ourselves? No one deserves damnation, but
everyone deserves something better than eternal torments and
unhappiness, as even you know. For example, just think for yourself
how lovable it would be if the Devil himself finally converted and
become lovable and good and like a little child if he was only given
the hope and opportunity to do so! That would be amazing and great!!
The devil becoming our friend and lover from having been our enemy.
What happiness!, what love!, what hope!! -- To have hope and to be
able to be forgiven and loved always and for all eternity by
everyone! But with the evil doctrine of an eternal Hell and
unforgiveness, this hope would never happen and hence this doctrine
is the most evil doctrine and thought to have ever existed or been
created by anyone at anytime, God or man.” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
Also:
TraditionalCatholic
asked: “How could Hitler be saved? Stalin?”
I responded:
“You asked me how Hitler or Stalin (who is considered among the
most evil people who have ever lived) could possible be saved? I
answer: They can be saved and be happy and love and be loved and even
be good examples for all eternity in the next life by henceforward
always doing good and by having repented from their evil actions!
“And
also, did you know that according to a doctrine even you accept, God
waits to the last moment for a man's conversion? Hence, if they only
changed their evil ways before death and accepted their wrongdoings
and wanted to change their evil ways etc., God would have forgiven
them and saved them, and if their sorrow was truly sincere and great,
they would even have escaped purgatory. This is true Catholic
doctrine which you cannot deny, yet you ask me how they could have
been saved, as if you did not know this! TraditionalCatholic, stop
being dishonest from henceforward, and see the arguments for what
they are, i.e., that anyone is worthy of eternal forgiveness and love
and happiness, for when they convert and change, it was always worth
it, you see. For the same reason would you never give up on your own
sick mother or father or child or sister or brother, but you would
always hope, pray and work for their well being, and not give up on
them. For the same reason then, never give up hope for those who died
in God's displeasure, for even if this so-called God hates them and
they hate God, we do not need to hate them (I certainly don't) and
hence if we do, we will not be hated by them and therefore, we will
more easier be accepted by them and share our love with them, which
will not be rejected.
“You
see, by being open to forgiveness, anyone can convert in due time,
even if it takes eternity.! But this so-called God, in his evil faith
on Hell and unforgiveness, denies this possibility. Hence, God has
denied hope, i.e., the hope that the damned could convert (if it is
now his belief that they never will). But since I believe in hope, I
will always believe in hope, love and forgiveness for everyone and
not deny it like a heretic as this so-called Catholic or Christian
God does.
“In
fact, what would be more beautiful to behold then to see someone evil
like Hitler to truly repent in this life or even in the next and
become good and loving and caring for others, even being a good
example to others and of repentance and by doing good always
henceforward and for all eternity too? If someone was evil and yet
truly repented with sincerity and yet a God or even you would not
forgive him, you would be evil and would be worse than even Hitler
himself that chose love in the end, whereas you did not by not
forgiving him, you evil man if you would not forgive him -- and for
all eternity too?! Evil Hell, apostasy doctrine of true heresy from
all love and justice for sure! And that is also why every reasonable
person (like atheists and other people and religious of other faiths
and even Christians who dislike Hell) do not like Hell or even
contradicts it or condemns it!” (Cf. comment section of:
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
And:
So what I said is that salvation must
be open to everyone, even Hitler or the Devil or anyone else, because
provided one believes in conversation to goodness and never denies
it, everyone can convert in due time however evil they have been, but
this is denied in Heaven by God – and this is heretical.
You wrote: “As a lawyer the
PUNISHMENT MUST FIT THE CRIME.” (Ibid.)
Response: No crime deserves
eternal torments. That is why I so much mentioned you being a lawyer
and claiming to follow justice, because according to the laws you
have learned, you certainly know eternal torment does not befit a
crime that was only temporal. Even in the world, repentant criminals
are released, and if people could live forever, they certainly would
not have been punished forever, if they converted and became new men.
Besides, the world does not torment
criminals, but tries to cure them. But in Hell, there are torments so
severe so that they can only hate in return, and this is clearly
unjust, since it denies love and repentance and love.
And to the argument that people receive
life sentences. That is true, but life is only temporal. Had life
been eternal on earth, the judgment would have been different. I
mean, it is unreasonable to let someone live forever in a prison if
the person he killed still lives in another life (if life is eternal
and cannot die) and especially if this man also has converted and
become good. Therefore, since the laws on earth and eternity are
different, different laws applies, but still, the world understands
this: tormenting others is evil, which is why the world itself does
not do this to her criminals, but again, they seek to cure them, or
at least, desire them to die a good deaths so they they may have
happiness hereafter.
And this is even more true in the
afterlife, because in the afterlife no death exists, and even people
who where murdered on earth is alive in heaven, so why then always
punish someone when they have already been punished, and especially
if they have became new men that are now good? Hence let us forgive
each other instead and love each other and be happy with each others
goodness and conversion, and let us be like a big family again, like
we are meant to be and love each other. For this is the only truth
with Heaven, to forgive each other and love each other and to live in happiness and eternal
love with each other for ever!
You wrote: “As I wrote above,
"Hell is eternal because sin, though finite by itself, is
primarily committed against an infinite God; the punishment must
therefore also be infinite.” (Ibid.)
Response: Your argument is
really not an argument of justice, but it only slaves after a God.
That God claims to be infinite, or even if he is, is not an argument
for an eternal punishment that never ends. Do you know why? That is
because there is no justice behind this argument, which is why such a
punishment would never hold up in a court of law.
Besides, God damns many souls for
crimes that are not even sinful in the world or according to worldly
laws or even according to your conscience, such as marrying against
the will of the Church, or simply being ashamed to confess a sin. How
does this deserve eternal punishment (or how does our conscience tell
us this is wrong like with murder? It does not!) when the world
itself does not even judge these acts as sinful or wrong? Hence, your
arguments are no arguments according to justice, but you are merely
slaving after a God and his evil laws even though he did not have to
follow them or implement them just as the world does not implement
them, so that we all may live in peace.
Only truly just laws are to be
followed, and that is the law of doing good to others, not to steal,
not to murder, not to take advantage of others, not to rape, and
similar laws to this effect. Such laws are true, but even so,
criminals are forgiven on earth, and must be so in the afterlife
also.
You wrote: “If you destroyed
someone's property valued at $100, he has a strict right in justice
to be compensated the full $100. God's 's friendship is infinite in
value and the mortal sinner broke that friendship against a Perfect
Being. Therefore, the punishment must be equally infinite. Hell is
neither more nor less than absolute, perfect justice; it couldn’t
be otherwise. "He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all
His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just
is He." (Deuteronomy 32:4).” (Ibid.)
Response: In order to prove that
you are lying, try to claim this “justice” in a court of law, and
we will see if the judge lets you keep your work or not! If you are
honest, you will see that the judge would revoke your license if you
tried to implement these laws whom you claim are “just” in a
court of law, because they certainly are not just, but
to the contrary, if you follow true laws, such as not murdering or
stealing, you would be praised and honored.
No one in the world is given eternal
torments or punishment for having stolen 100 dollars. They are merely
given a fine, or a small prison sentence, but God could actually damn
someone for eternity if they died in this sin, tragically and evilly,
and this is wrong, and you know it, and judges know it; you dishonest
person who are merely slaving after a God whatever he teaches.
Both you and I know and everyone know
that it would be better to let someone, in the afterlife, pay back in
some way what he stole rather then eternally damning him. But such
simple logic is not understood by you, because you are a slave of a
God and not a man of justice even though you are a lawyer, and hence
this is also the reason for that you are blind, for God is blinding
you, when you should rather look to true justice, which the world and
Vatican II represents better than God.
Besides, why don't God learn some
humility? He felt offended? Well, don't we all get offended? God has
no reason to damn someone forever just because he felt offended.
Instead, man up God and tell this man or woman they did wrong, and
then help them become better men and women again. Don't be an unjust
fool and eternally damn them, because that is evil. You can give them
a prison sentence, but do not eternally damn anyone. In truth, if you
refuse to take your work seriously and do not forgive people their
offenses, then let me do it and take your place, because I promise
you to work for all eternity for bad people's conversion, even if
they are evil, because I have hope that even they will and can become
good again.
You wrote: “You see Hell as
unjust because your conception of God and Justice/Mercy are both
WRONG.” (Ibid.)
Response: No it is not wrong,
and that is why the world and Vatican II and our conscience and
heart, and also true justice, agrees with me and not with you. Only
brainwashed Christians like yourself, says it is wrong, because
according to you, a 5 year old child being angry with God and calling
him bad names must burn in Hell and be damned if he died like this,
and a nun who lived a good life but was ashamed to confess a sin
“deserves” eternal damnation and torments, you evil person! This
is not how the world or Vatican II judges it, which is why they don't
even demand confession anymore under pain of sin. This is wisdom.
Instead, they believe in mercy, and that even if someone failed in
everything, that there is hope for him or her. This is also my faith
and my belief, because it is just. But I go even further then they.
But many in the Vatican II also believe as I do, i.e., that all are
saved and that Hell is either empty, or does not exist.
You wrote: “Under your idea of
God, DEATH is immoral. Why are we being punished by physical death
for someone else's (Adam's) sin? If God brings Hitler into Heaven,
why not just forgive all of us and make us immortal without death?
How can God let a five year old die, Jerome/ Why not just make us
happy without the pains and sufferings of death?” (Ibid.)
Response: Death is not so
relevant on earth since life continues eternally in the next. Only
what transpires in eternity, is really relevant, since justice cannot
be had in this life to a full extent. But in an eternity and with the
power of a just God that cannot be resisted, justice can be had.
Hence that the next life is relevant more then this, because it is
there that we will meet each other again and live in happiness and
justice.
You ask why bring Hitler to Heaven?
I answer: Because he can be or have already been converted. That is
why. If he has not, let him remain in a prison or receive some
punishment, or even be in Heaven, but not be so liked by everyone and
not be welcomed everywhere until he has been converted truly, for
then there is hope even for him. And when he finally converts and
become just like you and me, then it was all worth it, wasn't it? Of
course it was, because we are all brothers and sisters and we must
not despise those who choose the wrong path in life, because we could
have done it too! Hence that conversion and hope in others betterment
is the real truth, and not eternal damnation which is actually evil.
You wrote: “As I wrote above,
"people themselves become their own punishment. A person will go
into the next life as the person they made themselves in this life. A
human being's choice and fate are sealed at death. If someone goes to
Judgement as an enemy of God, that individual rejects all that God
is; love, goodness, etc. They have embraced hate, evil, and all that
is wrong. That's who they will be for all eternity.” (Ibid.)
Response: Even it that is true
(which I don't believe) still, I would gladly offer myself to work
for their conversion for all eternity. IF God is to selfish to help
them, let me do it, and do not torment them, but let us live in peace
and let us do them good, so that they too will see the light. That is
my faith, my hope, my love for them, because I desire them good, and
provided someone desires them good, there is hope.
Also, this is what I wrote on this
subject in other places, and this answers all of your arguments above
sufficiently:
“I have not
renounced the true faith but rather found it and embraced it, since
the true faith, even according to God himself, is the Golden Rule and
wishing (and wanting) good upon others, and forgiving others,
especially our enemies! That is why I want to forgive the damned and
work for their eternal salvation and happiness. I do not believe, as
I explained, that the damned cannot be good or forgiven. If they hate
God or can't forgive him, it is for a reason -- i.e., He rejected
them and sent them to Hell. If they can't love God or God love them,
then let someone else love them or give them love or be their God
(such as Mary, or whomever else has won this title), and all would be
well. It is absurd to think that a spirit or soul would refuse
happiness and love for all eternity just because we have been taught
this is the case. If this is not true with reasonable humans, why
would it be true with spirits? It makes no sense. But even if this is
true, my judgment would be to send them to earth again and live
another life and make them receive a body. No human wants to deny
love or live in torments, hence, it is easy to see why there are
solutions to the damned and that they can start to love again. That
is why I believe in love and forgiveness, and not in hate and God's
evil damnation.” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-answer-as-to-why-i-condemn-hell-and-god.html)
I also wrote in another place:
“If you read my
article you will have read many answers as to why there need to be no
Hell, and why they could have been saved and lived in happiness and
why God commits mortal sin by not having thought of something better
for the damned (if Hell now is real and not only a true scare
tactic). Would it be hard to let all the damned live on earth in a
human body and hence make them live in human happiness instead of
damnation? Of course not! Do humans want to live in torments and
unhappiness? Certainly not! So the argument that they are
always evil and can't be good is false, because they had goodness in
them while they lived on earth. My judgment – which would
be shared by all who have reason and love true justice above God's
will if his will is evil – (if I had God's place) would be that
they could live on earth instead (if they don't want to live in
Heaven or we can't get along), but I also do believe that Heaven even
is for them and that they can become good. …
“I
did not mention devils or demons because it does not matter. They
exist, but they have become, or will be good in my belief, since I
have given them hope and forgiveness, so they are my friends. Do you
think I want even the devil to be damned? No, I wish his salvation
and happiness, and I will fight for that all the damned will be
saved. And in my belief and in that of Origen, everyone will be saved
in the end. Yes everyone, and that includes the devil. What is hard
to believe with that the devil himself could make himself become like
a little child and start to love if he was only forgiven and was
granted happiness and love? How can demons love or have hope if they
are only tormented and live without hope? Can't you see that they are
forced to hate? If you don't believe me, try to torment yourself or
be tormented by someone in insufferable torments, and then tell me
what you think and if you are happy with this life or if you start to
fell an urge to hate! If someone tormented you and you had no hope
and you could not bear it, and you thought this would endure forever
and there was no hope and you received no consolation from anyone,
you will start to hate. Can one live in insufferable torments and not
start to hate when one cannot bear it? Even I would have started to
hate God and even Mary if I was always tormented in insufferable
torments and I had no hope of being released. Not that I want to
hate, but if one is not forgiven or granted love or happiness, it
only seems natural to start to hate those who deny you this
happiness. Hence Hell is evil, since it forces us to hate. Without
love and hope, there is only darkness and hate.” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
Finally, this is what I wrote
specifically for you in the article I directed to you a while back
(you never responded):
Introibo Ad
Altare Dei asks: “In the strict sense, God does not condemn
anyone to Hell. The person chooses it.”
Jerome answers:
“I know this argument. I also held this before I got courage to
actually blame God instead. I answer: If people truly choose
damnation in front of God because their conscience forces it, this is
a kind of force, since the conscience follows God's own laws, and not
our own well being. I can assure you that I do not want to be damned.
If you say I do desire to be damned you would be lying. Therefore, if
I desire to be damned in the next life, that only happened because I
would be overwhelmed by feelings alien and foreign to me that makes
it unjust and impossible to resist. If I do not want to be damned as
a human with a human reasoning, I certainly do not want to be damned
in the next judgment when I look at everything differently. Since
feelings can be deceptive and even can be abused (such as by God), I
would guess the feelings in that case must be severe and excessive,
and almost impossible to reject. Is that just? Of course not. But
then again, nothing is just with a Hell and eternal torments, so the
fact that people choose a Hell in God's judgment does not surprise
me, since I can see already that there is foul play at hand –
because humans with a human reasoning will not and will never want
to be eternally tormented or live in a sea of fire for all eternity.
That is just common sense and reason. Hence, the argument that people
choose Hell by themselves fails and is unjust, since this own
condemnation of conscience to an eternal Hell is forced upon the soul
with feelings foreign to our current understanding. It is unjust to
judge the soul or body separate from each other, or from an
understanding different from common human reasoning that looks to its
own well being.” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/07/response-as-to-why-the-doctrine-of-hell-do-not-follow-true-justice-or-logic.html)
You wrote: “That's why Hell is
not unjust. That's why you are an apostate, anti-Christian
Universalist.” (Ibid.)
Response: You blind fool. What
you say is essentially this: “That is why damning children and
unconfessed nuns IS NOT UNJUST BUT EVEN GOOD,
and I see not injustice with them burning in Hell or being tormented
forever without ever being released...”
Do you see now why I called your
arguments and reasonings retarded? Because they are.
You say Hell is “just” only because
God says so, and because you are forced to agree with this position
because you are a coward too cowardly to stand up to true justice –
and that is all. Be honest.
If Hell was “just”, the world and
our conscience and God's Church and our heart would agree with this,
but they don't.
That our heart don't agree with Hell is
obvious, because if you where God or had his place, you would not
damn anyone but look for solutions for all eternity that the damned
may be saved and become good. So you are refuted, and your arguments
are pathetic and no arguments at all, since you are merely slaving
after a God whom you fear might damn you to Hell for questioning him
or thinking of something better for others and yourself. But your
actions are cowardism, and not justice or braveism.
Also, and I repeat myself: if Hell was
just, this means you would have made the same condemnation and
judgment over the damned as God did if you where God, but you would
not do this. ANSWER THIS QUESTION! If you where God or received the
power over the damned by God, what would you do? Would you try to
convert them, or always damn them, you evil person? Hence this
question refutes you, because it proves you would not damn the damned
if you had the power over them, and hence, Hell is not just, for no
sane person would ever to this to others, but if they did, they would
be evil. Yet you excuse God, because you are blind and a respecter of
persons (or a respecter of God) and not of justice. You are therefore
just a blind follower of God just like the Germans (who did evil) was
to Hitler.
You wrote: “The fact that YOU
can't comprehend that makes you "reason-challenged," not
me. I invite all my readers to read your prolix nonsense.” (Ibid.)
Response: I do comprehend and
understand, which is why I always answer every single question and
argument, but you have never responded to anything so far, but all
you do is ignoring everything.
But we shall see what you do, since I
did ask you some questions and made many arguments and quotations
even in this posts, and we shall see if you actually dare to respond
to them. My guess is that you perhaps won't (or?) because if you do
answer, you will condemn yourself and your God in the process.
Here is the immediate previous article
you also ignored:
You wrote: “You do a much
better job than I could in showing why your beliefs are idiotic and
contrary to Christ Who was God and clearly taught an eternal Hell.” (Ibid.)
Response: In the judgment day,
we shall see who was right. But even now, you are wrong, but since
you are not honest, the point is meaningless to argue.
At least we can see who answers
questions and arguments, and that is me; whereas you answers nothing
and only hide behinds arguments already addressed. That “God said
this” “or that” is not an argument of justice, because God has
no right to be unjust and command evil. Hence, when God commands
Hell, he does an evil and must therefore be resisted, because there
are obviously better solutions or alternatives for the damned then an
eternal Hell, and this would be a temporal prison where they will
learn to become good again and love. End of story.
You wrote: “Praying for your
conversion,” (Ibid.)
Response: And I pray and hope
that you will answer my questions (because if you do, you will see
the truth) and that you will truly start to follow the true justice
which you now falsely claim to follow (as a lawyer nonetheless!).
I have written three articles now in
response to you, and so far, you have not addressed any of the
arguments or questions but only written small comments in response
but without actually answering answering anything.
Even here in this most recent
discussion between us, I have asked you questions and made many
arguments to prove the points of justice which you do not follow, and
specifically asked you to answer them. Again, we shall see what you
will do about it.
Signed,
Ville Hietanen (Jerome)
Against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com
