Q&A: Is the salvation of all human beings, souls and angels an unreasonable or illogical position? My second response to Introibo Ad Altare Dei.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei: “Jerome, If there is no Hell, conscience doesn't matter. Baptism of desire is moot. Everyone is saved, so we don't need baptism by water or baptism by desire/blood. You don't even need to believe in Christ. You don't need to live a good life. The problem with those who reject Hell is that they believe themselves to be more merciful than God. It's pure emotion devoid of reason. “I wouldn't want someone to torture me [or my wife, mother, father, etc] forever, so I could do things better than God. Hell does not exist.” See my post on the subject of Hell I wrote about 2 weeks ago: http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/08/Hell-under-fire.html Everything you wrote in this post is a waste. Why go to Church at all! When St. Paul tells us to “work out thy salvation in fear and trembling” he was out of his mind! ---Introibo” (Source: Comment section of https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/08/why-i-no-longer-reject-vatican-ii-or-the-traditional-priests-or-receiving-sacraments-from-them.html)

Introduction: Keep in mind that this person, Introibo Ad Altare Dei, who wrote to me previously and falsely condemned and ridiculed my views and called them “illogical” because I say damnation is evil and wrong (his shameful comment can be found in this article's comment section https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html) is a lawyer by decree. A true and just lawyer is of course meant to fight for justice and defend people against discriminating and wrongful behavior not only in a court of law, but also outside of it.

Therefore, Introibo knows very well all the laws that he has sworn as a lawyer to uphold in order to defend the innocent and also all the reasons and the logic and justice behind them since they defend people from evil and unjust/excessive punishments and crimes and dictatorial behavior, yet when it comes to defending others from an eternal unjust Hell in the afterlife, whether they be humans, aliens or angels (which is a just lawyers duty to do not only in this life, but also in the next) he does nothing!, even though they (the damned) would always live in eternal torments which is similar or far worse than Hitler's inhuman and unjust concentration camps on earth and that Introibo readily would have condemned and called evil, although God's Hell is infinitely worse then a concentration camp and it can never justly be compared with anything on earth, however evil it is, yet it is not evil enough to be condemned by Introibo even though he would easily have condemned Hitler for doing the same or even less? That reasoning of course is not only illogical and unreasonable, but also evil and wrong and unjust and is not how a real lawyer that is meant to protect people must act. Therefore, you should be ashamed of yourself, Introibo.

Remember, Introibo claims to be a lawyer and to protect people, and yet despite him being aware of that this injustice of an eternal Hell will occur to the damned (who are our beloved brothers and sisters) and that Hell will murder them there in torments which is worse than any concentration camp or any other torment on earth, and despite him knowing that they must ALWAYS (as in always, always, always for all eternity) stay in this place and never get out and always live there without hope and never feeling love, happiness or forgiveness again for all eternity (which is the most evil thing that has ever happened or been thought of by anyone at anytime, God or man), and in which even 5 year old children have been recorded to be damned for ALL ETERNITY and actually suffering such torments now (if there is a Hell right now, that is) – A CHILD THAT VERY WELL COULD BE YOUR OWN BELOVED AND DEAR CHILD! – Introibo, despite knowing all of this and being fully aware of this and despite claiming to be a lawyer who defends people from injustices, is still claiming TO SEE NO INJUSTICE WITH HELL!; I repeat: is still claiming TO SEE NO INJUSTICE WITH HELL!;with this so obviously, excessive and unjust crime and punishment against love, true justice and humanity; and he even hypocritically defends the culprit who actually have admitted to will this to happen to those whom he deems worthy to be damned! This culprit of course is God.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei evilly wrote: “Even if punishment were TEMPORARY [for the damned] it still would be unjust [to release them] because they get eternal happiness thereafter [and they don't deserve this, according to him]... Your position makes God unjust.” (Source, comment section of: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html; see my response to his evil comment here: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/07/response-as-to-why-the-doctrine-of-hell-do-not-follow-true-justice-or-logic.html)

Had God been a man, or rather, if God had been Hitler, would Introibo (who is a real lawyer) have condemned him and called him evil, not only in a court of law, but also outside of it? Of course he would. He would not, as a lawyer, defend someone like Hitler or justifiably defend their evil crimes against humanity even though Hitler was the ruler and wanted this punishment to happen to those who incurred his displeasure. But the problem here is that GOD ALSO WANTS THIS PUNISHMENT TO HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO HAVE INCURRED HIS DISPLEASURE JUST LIKE HITLER DID! So why is Introibo, who is supposed to be just and not judge according to persons, making a different judgment or ruling when it comes to a God that is different from the judgment he would make against Hitler when they are guilty of the same crime? I will tell you why, and that is because Introibo is a respecter of persons or God rather then a respecter of true justice and true charity which wills good; a justice which defends men and condemns God when man shall be defended and God be condemned.

I know for a fact that Introibo condemns Hitler for the evil he did and he does not excuse him. He publicly states this as a fact on his blog. So why does he excuse God when God do even worse? If the argument is that God is God and hence “he must always be obeyed” and also, “God wills no evil whatever he commands since he is righteous and just” and so “we must always have faith and believe no matter what” – if one actually follows such evil and unreasonable logic of mere “obedience” (as most Christians do in relation to God) to whatever is commanded (like both Hitler and God demands or demanded from their people) rather than following the truth of always adhering too and following the true justice no matter what even if a so called God condemns you for it, then one is not actually truly defending people or following the true justice of defending real love and goodness (that desires good and happiness upon everyone) or being reasonable or logical at all, but one is rather defending evil and respecting persons and instead of being just, becomes unjust, unreasonable and illogical in defending evil; not only any evil, but the worst evil that has ever existed and been implemented by anyone at anytime! Thus, no greater injustice than Hell has ever existed, yet the fewest people condemn it or defend people from incurring this infinite and infallible injustice. It is really tragic, and sad.

So while Introibo thinks he is just and reasonable in his approach (while hypocritically accusing me for emotionality in his previous comment, and of being illogical (and he did this because I promoted, fought for and defended the good and noble position and justice that every creature, man, animal or angel, shall be saved as opposed to being damned!), but as we have seen, it is Introibo that is completely clueless, illogical and UNJUST since he is merely a respecter of persons slaving after a God who positively wills us to be damned and unforgiven if we happen to be damned.

The example of Hitler is actually a good one, for just like God, Hitler also did evil and murdered and tortured people in concentration camps. Hitler did this towards the people who had incurred his displeasure; and even though these people offended no one but Hitler and his likes, they where still accused, targeted and punished and it did not matter if this accused innocent person's beloved ones family, spouse or children desired this person's happiness and release from the concentration camp in order to see him and love him again, for they where still denied this request to their heartbreak and deep sorrow. But as all people and especially Christians should know, God also wills the punishment, damnation and torment in an eternal Hell (eternal concentration camp with unending torments!) of all those whom have incurred his displeasure, even though they might not have offended anyone else but God and only God wants this punishment to be inflicted upon them and no one else!; and here also, just like with Hitler and the concentration camps, it does not matter if the damned person's beloved ones family, spouse or children desires this damned human being's release so that they may see him again in order to receive his love! Nay, I say even more! Even if the whole world wills this (the damneds' release) and even if all the world hates God for what he has done against the damned who are our beloved children, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and spouses etc. (just because they did not live up to his hypocritical standards), they are still denied this request of being released from Hell by God even if the whole world request it, and hence according to God's evil will (which thankfully he will not have when true justice comes to heaven), those human beings capable of loving and receiving our love, must always live, according to God's own word, in a fire with demons torturing them in indescribable tortures likened by God with cutting your teeth with knifes and with being burnt in a sea of inextinguishable fire and sulphur in addition to being deprived of all hope, happiness, friendship and love for all eternity and they will never see their loved ones again only because “God” wills it! That is right, all this eternal evil and suffering will befall our beloved “damned” children, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters (that God allows and wills to be damned) ONLY BECAUSE HE WILLS IT! Not because they deserve it according to us or because you or I or anyone else wills it, but once again only because God wills it. That is completely and utterly evil and unforgivable.

In truth, I have never before seen or heard about a more evil thing, thought, deed or doctrine than this heresy and apostasy of Hell and eternal damnation found in the Christian religion. The fact is that of all the evil things anyone has ever done to anyone else, God is the worst criminal in all of history, and nothing surpasses the evil which God has done and willed to be done for those whom he deems “worthy” of this; and God is even worse than Satan himself, for God could hinder Satan and save the damned if he only wanted to. But he does not! Do you know why? That is because God doesn't feel like saving them, since they “deserve” damnation, according to him! That is why! That is completely evil of course (as anyone who is honest would readily admit), and it is evil dictatorialship to the max just like with Hitler, who also was an evil dictator murdering those whom he deemed “worthy” of this; but God is infinitely worse than Hitler because Hitler DID NOT damn anyone FOR ALL ETERNITY!, but GOD ACTUALLY DOES THIS AND EVEN WILLS IT!!!

How anyone can actually defend this position of an eternal Hell or punishment, or a God who does this to billions and billions of humans, angels and souls THAT ALL CAN LOVE AND RECEIVE LOVE AND GIVE LOVE after having it so clearly explained to them (i.e., that this is wrong and that it does not have to be like this) is evil; it is inexcusable, and unreasonable and also illogical because it does evil to our beloved fellow humans – our beloved mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, and children – and that is why I am trying to make this truth clear to everyone, but especially to the Christians, who most of them do not follow their conscience on this point.

Almost throughout all the ages have Christians shamefully (instead of standing up to a true justice which does not wish this unhappiness to befall upon anyone nor believing that there it is any justice in this) silently just “accepted” this horror and kept silent; unreasonably thinking to themselves that there is “justice behind all of this.” They are like brainwashed sheep, and they do not dare to defend the damned or think of anything better for themselves or the damned for they themselves fear damnation and being damned for having a will of themselves that is contrary to God's declared will, and even if their own thoughts are more noble and even better than God's, they still fear and believe they can't resist God or will their loved “damned” ones' salvation. Such behavior is of course not reasonable or just! It is, rather cowardice and evil, since it silently gives approval of evil by not denouncing it, and just accepting it.

But is this really how true justice works, or how a human being, and real human love and love for others etc. should be treated? Should they all just be ignored silently and cast aside like worthless trash just because “God” wants this misfortune to happen to our beloved ones? No!, that is certainly not the way of true justice and love. When we know Hell is evil and unjust since it damns our beloved human beings (and who does not know this?) then we must dare to stand up against God and his evil Hell and condemn him!; for if we do not, we become just as evil or worse and more unjust than God himself on this point because we have been better instructed and know better true justice which wills good upon others, not only due to the media, the world and the Vatican II who all teaches universal goodness and salvation, but also because of the fact that we can resist God on this point easily and hence do an act of justice and love for our fellow human brothers and sisters, but who actually does this?

If this is not our goal and approach in life (i.e., embracing true and real goodness for ourselves and others), then we condemn and reject our conscience and are deceived, because this goodness which must be followed by everyone is the law of doing good to others and ourselves and this is the law of love, kindness, forgiveness and charity for our fellow human beings, whether they be damned or not.

Do you really want to become unjust and break this truth of love and justice and conscience of doing and wishing eternal good (as opposed to eternal evil) on your brothers and sisters just because God said so?(a truth that you also know is completely true in your conscience and heart (i.e., that you don't want damnation for anyone or that anyone must suffer for eternity)). How utterly stupid is that, really? To become a criminal because someone else wants it? How stupid! Don't be a fool! If you would condemn Hitler because he was evil and because he murdered and “damned” the humans we love, then likewise must God be condemned for doing the same or worse, i.e., for his condemning and “damning” and murdering in a fire the human beings we want to love... (if he now actually damns anyone anymore, which I have been told he does not since doing otherwise would be unjust.)

But be glad, for there is hope, because the people in the Vatican II Church do not have to fear following their conscience anymore on these point of doctrines (on eternal forgiveness, love and salvation for everyone), since God's Church today more and more moves away from this evil doctrine of eternal damnation and Hell; and many in the Vatican II Catholic Church even teach that everyone is saved and that no one is damned! Also, no one is punished in God's Church today for teaching this or believing in this doctrine! Do you know why that is? That is because this doctrine is true, and because it gives us the opportunity today to easier follow our conscience. Before in time it was much harder to hold this position without being condemned or burned at the stake, because the world was much different then and much more repressing since there was no sense of unity among peoples as there is today. In other words, there was a lack of universal connection among peoples as we have it today – a connection with breeds true love and unity for our fellow human brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, daughters and sons and the elderly and even animals and nature etc. – and the media is much to thank for this awakening of a more noble and truer sense of brotherhood and sisterhood and justice for our own and others welfare that occurred during our century.

The Church has largely changed Her position and view on Hell, salvation and forgiveness, and that for a reason; and She is about to change her views on these points even more in the future, and that again is because this belief of unity, justice, friendship and salvation that the Vatican II Church is striving towards and working for is true, and because it actually follows the law of conscience and justice, whereas anything else (i.e., positions that wills or accepts unforgiveness, unlove and/or eternal torments of our loved ones) would break and deny this law of conscience and law of love and law of justice and make us criminals.

Now, let us look more deeply at Introibo's unreasonable comment and my responses:

Q&A: Is the salvation of all human beings, souls and angels an unreasonable or illogical position? My second response to Introibo Ad Altare Dei.

Jerome responds: Introibo Ad Altare Dei, you coward! You never even responded to my previous comment and blog post in response to your first comment (see this post: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/07/response-as-to-why-the-doctrine-of-hell-do-not-follow-true-justice-or-logic.html) even though you arrogantly called me wrong and unreasonable then too. Well, we quickly saw who was unreasonable.

In this article, I will try to make you respond and make you understand in a grave and serious way that your position is stupid and illogical.

Now, you are essentially only defending Hell because God said so, and that is all! That is like excusing Hitler and his Concentration Camps just because Hitler said it should be done in this way, or because he “said so.” Do you not see how stupid this is? You know that Hell is evil, that's a fact! And the proof of this is that you don't want this suffering of an eternal Hell to happen to anyone and if you could, you would prefer another way for the “damned” so that they could be saved and forgiven; and if you were God or had the power to do so with his permission, would you not do it and give them a better eternity, so all could become friends? If am I wrong on this that you would do this as described above, please prove me wrong and shame yourself further, but I am sure I won't be wrong, since otherwise you would be worse than even Hitler or Stalin or worse than a mass murderer and hence utterly despicable! Do you know why? That is because you would be totally and indescribably evil if you could prevent people from suffering in a Hell yet did not do it. That is an infallible fact!

If you answer these questions honestly, you will see and admit to the fact that you would not have done to the “damned” what God did, since you know this would be evil. Answer honestly now what you would have done if God gave you his place, or if you were given the power over the damned and God permitted you to think of something better. ANSWER! (I will be awaiting your honest response that will prove the point of true justice, conscience, and love, which you do not follow, but I do, which is why I defend people and justice, and you don't, for you are only slaving after a God, and that is all.)

That is why all the secular laws condemns such inhuman injustices against other living beings, and why God and God's Hell would not stand a chance in a real and just court of law. As both you and I know (since you are a lawyer and since I am honest and just on this point), had someone likened to God and his Hell been prosecuted in court for the crimes of torturing and murdering billions of humans in Concentration Camps because they were displeasing to him, then you and everyone else would infallibly have condemned him and you would not have had the slightest problem whatsoever to accuse him for the worst crimes ever imagined against humanity and you would even have had a completely clean conscience for doing so and having feelings of righteousness because of what you did in accusing this man, since your actions are true, noble, right, charitable and just; whereas if you had defended this evil man (like trying to excuse his murders by claiming they were just as you sadly and pathetically do with God) then you would be dead not only in your conscience, but also in your soul and that is why you or anyone else that is good and has a true and good conscience would never do such a thing, because you and others certainly know that it is evil to defend and excuse evil and that it goes against all justice, both divine and secular. Please answer me honestly if I am correct on these points of reasonings. The honest answer you will give will once again prove the point of conscience, and what true justice and love is all about, i.e., that evil is to be condemned and justice followed, no matter what.

Therefore, Introibo, since you are a lawyer by decree and occupation and also claim to be just according to law and have a good conscience, you certainly know the above reasoning and ruling would be the only outcome in a court of law and also the judgement made by you, you hypocrite! So why then don't you defend the damned (who all are living beings capable of loving and giving love) rather than God, when you know the punishments he evilly allows to be inflicted on them are unjust and excessive and against all laws? Please answer honestly why you defend God when you know the punishments are evil and unjust and excessive according to all secular laws, and why it would be “just” to say otherwise only because “God says so” when this is not actually a true or valid argument in determine what true justice is or an excuse for breaking one's conscience. ANSWER! And please, do not try to excuse yourself with the argument that you just must believe in this because “God says so,” because then you do not follow justice at all, but rather become a respecter of persons (i.e., of God even if he wills evil) rather than of truths (i.e., of true justice which wills good for our fellow human beings in willing their salvation and happiness even if God condemns you for it)!

Also, se my response to your previous unreasonable comment that you completely ignored here:

https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/07/response-as-to-why-the-doctrine-of-hell-do-not-follow-true-justice-or-logic.html

By all means, please make a response to my article, and do not avoid my arguments and questions like a coward again as you did before, but address them directly, point by point. For if you do, you will look like a complete and utter fool and be despicable (in the same way as a person is a fool and despicable who defends or justifies genocide (the mass murder of entire human groups and races of people) just because he was a racist or evil like Hitler or Joseph Stalin) if you still actually tried to defend Hell or the evil and despicable argument that a human being capable of loving (like your spouse or child or mother or father or priest etc.) must be damned “if God wills it” or that “this is according to justice!” as you previously sadly admitted it was because “God says so” since the damned are “unworthy of love and happiness” because they died “not perfectly pleasing to God” according to his hypocritical high standards.

Introibo Ad Altare Dei evilly wrote: “Even if punishment were TEMPORARY [for the damned] it still would be unjust [to release them] because they get eternal happiness thereafter... Your position makes God unjust.” (Source, comment section of: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)

See my first response to Introibo's evil comments above here: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/07/response-as-to-why-the-doctrine-of-hell-do-not-follow-true-justice-or-logic.html

Now, would you say someone was reasonable or just if they defended all the evil that Hitler or Stalin did? Certainly not. The same goes for you, Introibo. That is why you might not take up this challenge and make a public response ( with a link to my article?) and actually answering all the arguments, points and questions? But we shall see what you do. If you do address the arguments, you will have to admit and come to realize some disturbing for you but true points for me, i.e., that my position and thoughts are true since I defend goodness and human lives, and God's wrong, since he wishes, permits and allows the damnation and murder of billions of human souls forever in the worst possible torments for all eternity without hindering it in anyway, whereas I do not do this. We both know it, you know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it. That is why dishonest fools like yourself who engages in these kinds of discussion look the other way around, ignoring the relevant facts completely and refusing to answer questions – just like you did.

Introibo wrote: “Jerome, If there is no Hell, conscience doesn't matter. Baptism of desire is moot. Everyone is saved,”

Jerome responds: So what is the problem with that everyone is or shall be saved? The fact that you bring up this point as an argument – as if there is a problem with this happening to others – as if there is a problem with that our beloved Muslim brothers and sister (that all can love someone and give love and receive love) can achieve eternal salvation – that this would somehow be problematic in your view: is the most idiotic and sad thing or worldview that I have ever seen coming from someone like you who is a lawyer by decree since you are supposed to be just and protect people and do them good, and also considering that you did read my article that points out the reason and justice behind Universal Salvation and how evil it is to damn others for eternity on mere faith and not on actual deeds done, or just silently accept this position; because again you claim to be a lawyer and to be just and to fight for true justice, kindness and love not only in a court of law, but also outside of it and even on your blog!

So you are supposed to stand up to evil people and dictators like Hitler who do evil and murder people (or like God, who damns people) and not defend them! Isn't that right? Yet you don't do this, sadly, in case with the damned humans, which accounts to perhaps billions and billions of people being eternally damned if the Saints belief and that of the Bible is right, or believed and followed by God or you (they taught most of humankind are eternally lost).

Yes it is true, everything is “moot” in comparison with wishing good upon everyone – even ones enemies (see Leviticus 19:34; Galatians 5:14; Matthew 7:12, see also Luke 6:31 and Luke 10:25-28; Tobit 4:15; Sirach 31:15 etc.) – and nothing really matters in comparison with the fact that all living things that exists, or that have been created or born (whether they be angels, humans, aliens or animals) can live together in true happiness, friendship and love like a huge and great family in salvation and happiness for all eternity! Nothing is better then this, and nothing is worse then Hell.

Now, if even one soul or living creature or animal is damned in the Hell God and the Saints teaches us about, then there is a serious and unforgivable problem – and that is evil of course – since even the least living thing have feelings and can feel pain; and to allow such a miserable existence as a Hell for even one living thing is unforgivable, since it is unendurable (unbearable) to live forever in pain and without love. No one can live in such a miserable eternity and be happy, and to in fact force this eternal misery upon others just because you or someone else (like God) wants this, is the greatest crime that has ever existed or been realized by anyone, ever! But that is not all, Introibo, and it gets worse.

Both you and I know that there are not only animals burning in this Hell and nothing else, which if true would be bad enough in itself and unforgivable since they can love and have feelings too and hence must be shown love, and not hate (animals don't go to Hell), but there are in fact real living human beings and souls burning and being tormented in this Hell right now if this Hell is actually true (which I hope and believe it is not, since this is clearly unjust); but that still is not all and it gets even worse, for there are even small children burning in this Hell as well, being eternally tormented in sufferings that is perhaps far worse than even all torments on earth combined!

Did you know St. Alphonsus wrote about a vision of a 5 year old child that was burning in Hell? According to your idiotic (and unjust) position, you would find a problem with (and even say that God was unjust) if this child was being granted forgiveness and salvation – as you in fact already shamefully, idiotically and tragically expressed to me in your previously retarded comment that I responded too, and that you shamefully ignored and avoided giving a response too (i.e., Introibo wrote in to me in order to say that God would really be unjust if he forgave a damned soul that, according to him, deserves damnation and not forgiveness! Stupid, stupid, stupid...).

Or did you just miss my whole comment and then new blog post that was posted just for you when I even made sure to make a comment on your own blog in order to make sure you saw it? To my knowledge, my comment on his blog has never been accepted! Yet he claims to accept all comments and that he is not afraid of a challenge (unless the comments are derogatory or attacking others by unfair language and such), yet my comment contained nothing of the sort.

But to answer your argument more fully, no, the positions mentioned (conscience, baptism, believing in Christ or going to Church etc.) are not without purpose, since this matters to those people who believe in them, follows them or performs those rituals and goes to Church etc. But should eternal salvation, happiness and love for our fellow human beings, souls, animals and angels really be governed by these things, just as if one cannot be saved without them and hence must be damned without them? No! That is completely illogical, unreasonable and evil, and is the same kind of stupid and unjust logic and reason as arguing that black people must be segregated and denied various work just because they are black – and that was all! But sadly, this level of stupidity is in fact how both God and Christian usually argue when it comes to Hell. “God says so” (i.e., eternal Hell and damnation for those he deems worthy of this despite what we ourselves might think of it), therefore, “we must believe it and accept it, even if my own child was damned.”

Not that Christians would accept damnation of their loved ones willingly or gladly or will such a misfortune such as if their own child or spouse or brother or sister or father or mother was damned; in fact, I think more Christians would be willing to rebel against God if they knew for a fact their own child was damned; but since it does not concern them so much (since it's only the so and so called person that they don't know about so well that is or might be damned), they don't really care enough to make a big deal about it. Well, they are completely wrong, and when they die, they will see the great mistake for their true lack of charity and love for their good or bad neighbour, or even for the most evil person that they perhaps more evilly thought deserved eternal damnation like many evilly think of Hitler.

No one deserves damnation, not even people like Hitler and do you know why? That is because he and anyone else can become good again if they were only given the chance and hence they can be our friends and so instead of hating each other we would love each other and be like lovers and a family and that is of course infinitely better then choosing to always hate our enemies and unforgive them! That is my faith and belief and my goal for all eternity – that we all will get along! If this is not your faith, what do you believe in?

If you follow a dictator God and an unjust biblical Hell, then you probably believe in a Hell with torments likened to being cut asunder alive with a saw and being burned alive in a volcano like a fish in water without the possibility of ever dying or feeling love or of ever being released again for ever and for all eternity! (As if someone actually deserves such an evil eternity however evil they have been... No! Never!) What an incredible injustice against love and forgiveness this belief is! No one deserves such a fate however evil they have been (i.e., a life in a Hell without hope of ever getting released again or feeling love or happiness ever again) for that is clearly unjust.

That is an eternal truth of love no one can deny without having done an evil choice if they ever make the decision to believe this, for to actually think anyone deserves this fate – and for ALL ETERNITY TOO and being obstinate about it is evil personified! (It is evil really, even if it does not seem so to you because you are dishonest and not a just person because you have been brainwashed to believe in this, but if you just think about it and is honest then it is not hard to see why it is evil, for what you want and silently accept (without rebelling or disagreeing) as an eternal fate for your neighbour is the most evil life possible, i.e., that the most evil things for all eternity are to happen to him or her; and you have agreed with this by your silence and refusal to rebel against this injustice against an unjust God.)

Those who think this eternal damnation is just should think about if this instead occurred to them! If you were damned, would you not want to be forgiven and given an eternity of chances to make up for what you have done wrong instead? Of course you would. Then think and do the same for your neighbour! For that is the Golden Rule and Law of Love which we all must follow in order to be truly just.

As I mentioned earlier in another comment, many people who have a good conscience (but perhaps not on all points, or at least, not good enough according to God) and that live good lives, are still damned by God merely for the fact for having died in his displeasure. Yes, that's right, they died in God's displeasure only, and even though they were loved by other human beings and were pleasing to them, and they truly loved each other and wanted to be with one another, they must still be damned according to God and must remain damned and separated for all eternity even though no one else wants this to happen (according to God's evil and unjust Hell doctrine that is). Don't you see how evil this is? People want to love you and be with you but are denied this only because an offended God wants it? That is no different than from what Hitler did, since Hitler did the same evil deeds against the Jews as God does against those he evilly damns. According to Hitler, even if the Jews were good people and loved others and were beloved by everyone (except for Hitler and his likes of course), they were still in his displeasure and had to die (or with God, be damned).

God does the same with those he allows to be damned. He could forgive them or work on some plan for all eternity that all may become friends and love each other and come along in some way; heck, he could even let them live on earth for all eternity in human happiness and love instead of damning anyone, but he does not do so. Do you know why? That is, again, because HE wants it so. That is right, HE wants it so! Not because you or I or anyone else wants it (which would not make it just or lawful to do, i.e., to damn anyone even if we would want something like this to happen, of course), but again only because HE wants it does it happen (and those brainwashed by him which does not really count, since they all would change position if God changed position, or if they saw the light, or had it explained to them by someone else, like me or you)!

From this can be learned that God is an evil dictator just like Hitler, and that he must be deposed and deprived just like Hitler; and if God is evil (which it seems he is, unless this is just all a test to see who wills to be truly just even above a God himself), then I will gladly depose him myself with this justice that cannot be resisted (for not even God can resist a true justice, since God claims and professes himself to be completely just AND to always follow justice, no matter what); therefore, when we (the world) comes before God with this justice in the final judgment – when true judgment will be gone over and examined in order to see and learn what true justice is and who was right and who was wrong etc. – what will God do, do you think, against those like us who wish to do more good than God himself for the sake of love, if not fall from his place?

If God does not change his evil position and falls, when he has fallen, I would gladly take his place myself or let someone more worthy of it have it – a person that always desires and wills good for everyone and for all eternity (for everyone's children), and not only for his own (i.e., and not only for his own children or the so-called elect as God does) for the very reason that no evil dictator may ever rule, damn or make an injustice against anyone ever again.

And this justice of wishing good towards others and to have mercy, especially towards one's enemies in order to forgive and love, and also by not wanting damnation to happen to anyone nor silently just accept such an evil deed are shared by many in the world, but not by most hard core Religious or Christians, such as Traditional Catholics or Protestants; but rather by non-Christians or atheists.

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All of what I have written in this article is my current belief and faith of God, heaven and the afterlife which I also have been told is true since God either changed position on Hell or never actually did this to anyone as we were taught (i.e., that God does not actually damn anyone even though he teaches this doctrine as almost everyone believes he does, for God wanted people to follow a truer justice on this point even above his own person in order to see who would not be a respecter of persons but rather a respecter of justice and conscience and dare to stand up to him when he was not just on this point). Humans are not to follow a false justice which only respects persons and then neglect true justice. Even the world abhors behavior like this and condemns it (like the case with Hitler or Hell, which is exampled with concentration camps by me, which all secular laws rightly abhor and condemn), but God wants us to truly follow the law of conscience and law of love, which desires good upon everyone – even our enemies.

How can we do good to everyone or especially our enemies if we do not hope for or work for their eternal salvation and happiness? Shall we just let them burn in a fire for all eternity and give up on them? What the heck is that for evil thing or belief? Never! I will always fight for the so called damned and their salvation and work for them becoming good and being able to love again and being able to forgive and be forgiven. That is my faith, my belief, my position, which is why I am more worthy to be the ruler that decides in God's Heaven more than even God himself is, since I think and do more good than even God himself on this point. Even all secular laws would agree with me on this and deprive such an unworthy person as God is of his rulership, since God does evil on so many unfortunate souls by damning souls that all can love if they are only given the opportunity.

And before lying and saying to me that they (the so called damned) can't love because Christian teaching claims this, take a look in the world! You would lie if you say people, even those God damns, cannot love, for they certainly love other human beings while on earth. They might not love God (for various reasons, some for justified reasons like abhorring Hell and that their loved ones is or could be damned; some for not so justified reasons merely because they like doing evil etc.) and they might not be as good as he hypocritically desires them to be, but that is no excuse for damning them, since they are capable of loving and to give love and to receive love. Even if they would love no one in actuality, still, if one believes in hope and goodness, one can always work for and hope for their conversion and salvation, for when an eternity exist, something could always happen at some point to make a change of heart occur, so there is always hope! Yet God wants to damn people from being able to give love and receive love and he chooses to deny love and even to extinguish love in the damned! and for all eternity too!? How evil are you God for this thought if this is really true! And the same goes for all those who evilly and obstinately defend such an evil position. If you do, perhaps you should look a child in the eyes and remember that there are actually children burning in Hell right now WITHOUT the hope of ever feeling love, happiness or friendship again for all eternity according to some of the Saints' testimonies. Let us all hope that these evil testimonies are untrue, and that this child is truly forgiven and currently living in true happiness, true love and true friendship as all are meant to be.)

Saints and Christians throughout the ages did not even attack God for what He did on this point, since they did not think of it like we do. They only believed it was happening to people, souls and the fallen angels and that nothing could be done about it. They did not see God as the responsible part or that He could prevent it, rather, they saw it as something that cannot be prevented and that they, too, must avoid it. However, I am not looking at it like this since I have more understanding and know more, which is why I am approaching it in a different way. In other words, many of them were ignorant as to the truth of this point due to not having been indoctrinated correctly. Even so, they desired this unhappiness of Hell and damnation on no one, and they also desired that all should be saved. Saint Gemma Galgani, whom I love dearly, is a great example of this. Vatican II also has started to walk more and more towards this point of doctrine. Do you know why? That is because they follow their conscience, since one cannot will or desire a Hell upon anyone if one is, or will become, a good person according to the true law of love, justice and conscience, and that is because there are demonstrable better and truer solutions to this problem of not living up to God's hypocritical standard rather than an eternal, unjust Hell.

When one has become enlightened about the true law of justice, conscience, brotherhood, love and forgiveness just like the Vatican II has (they teach Universal Salvation and desires goodness upon everyone one, and many even teach that no one at all is damned and that Hell is empty! I truly and really love that doctrine with all my heart!), then one no longer so easily embraces positions like Hell and eternal damnation anymore, but rather strives to move away from repressive and inhuman doctrines such as this. And that is exactly what the enlightenment and revolution of the Second Vatican Council was all about.

The true law of love, justice and conscience is the test God made to see who will succeed on this point of being truly just even above a God himself, and that for a reason, since if God is not truly just, how will his Heaven be able to remain or an eternity of love, happiness and justice continue? Know this also, but since God can only understand everything inside of Himself or inside of his foreknowledge, if God is honest, He would have to admit there may be more things in existence than even He is aware of, and that there may be more God's above Him even more powerful then He is that he is unaware of since there might exists some things outside of Himself or outside of his foreknowledge that He is unaware of.

To give an example, even if a computer knows everything and can think about everything, it actually only knows what it has learned or understood so far. It does not yet know for a fact the future or what exactly it will become or who will exist, since this has not yet happened. The same with God. God might think He knows everything, and perhaps He do, but still, it may also be true that He don't and that there may be some things in existence outside of His understanding. In my belief, God could very well admit to this theory if He was asked about it, i.e., that there is a possibility that His understanding of things could work in this way, since the theory cannot be disproven. What then if God would be unjust, and everyone in Heaven desires damnation upon souls that can love and give love? Would such a empire remain or be able to defeat their enemies, or other God's or other great and mighty spirits or souls (if there exists such a thing somewhere unknown to God) if they in Heaven were ever attacked for their injustices (as they should be, in order to be deposed so that justice truly reigns in Heaven and on Earth)?

If those attacking were more just than God's Heaven, then no, God will fall, and so would his Heaven, but that for a reason, since it was unjust. Do you see now why true justice is important, and why one must dare to fight for true justice, even if a God Himself (just like a Hitler) condemned you for it? When there is true justice in Heaven and everyone desires good, even saving all souls and even desiring to save other souls in other places if there are other God's somewhere else that also damns souls, then such a Heaven and empire that acts good like this will strive and succeed and be successful and become a conqueror of them all, since they follow true justice and love. Such a Heaven would not have to fear anything except for becoming unjust, because if unjust gods or spirits could prevail over true justice and just God's, Souls, Spirits or Angels, what then will become of eternity? That is why I don't believe such a thing can happen, and why there is an infinite and unconquerable power in willing to be just and actually being just and in wanting to do good, since no one can resist such goodness with evil. And that is also why God so much loves justice and always (as He in fact say) follow it. Let us then hope God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit do follow true justice, and that damnation was only a test to see who wanted to be truly just and not only their childish slave.

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Introibo wrote: “so we don't need baptism by water or baptism by desire/blood. You don't even need to believe in Christ. … Why go to Church at all! When St. Paul tells us to “work out thy salvation in fear and trembling” he was out of his mind! … Everything you wrote in this post is a waste.” [I.e., Introibo's point against me is that you need to do or have some of these things in order to be saved and live in eternal love and happiness in Heaven, as opposed to eternal hate, darkness and torments in a sea of fire (and all other kinds of insufferable torments) in a Hell; torments more severe then even all the torments on earth combined! (According to many Saints, this is the truth of Hell.) Yes I know, his position is stupid, unmerciful and evil.]

Jerome responds: Correct, eternal salvation and happiness and love must not depend on such unimportant things as Baptism or believing in Christ or going to Church just in the same way as human justice and being treated humanly must not be dependent upon us being white or black, gay or straight (since gays are gays and probably will remain so whether you or God wants them to be so or not, it is wiser and much better to respect them and give them love and love them, for then all would be well, for there is true love even in homosexuality if one only truly loves, as is obvious), and if you are honest, you will admit that it is unimportant if one does this or that provided one believes in and follows love and justice even if a God whom you fear tells you otherwise.

But if you don't dare to be truly just, then you will fall, and even say evil things like that such people (who were merely unbaptized or died gay) must be damned and live in eternal unhappiness even if they can love and give love and hence deserves Heaven, as I am sure even you know is true, unless you are a liar, and perhaps you might even know some gay people or unbaptized who where really good people. Don't be a fool, don't be evil, don't break your conscience, for indeed, you would not follow your conscience if you believe souls should or must be damned only because a God said so!

After talking with me, I have a hard time to see how you could avoid breaking your conscience on this point since I have made this so clear to you that the law of love and doing good towards everyone is a true and just law that stands above even God's own laws; in addition to the fact that there might perhaps exist even greater and stronger Gods than the so-called Catholic God himself who wants us to believe in and follow this doctrine of justice, love and conscience and not deny it (as many sadly do by wanting or being silent about their fellow human beings being damned, which is also why they have failed in this respect to even higher things that still are to be known to us in the afterlife).

You see, there might be a perfectly just reason for why Pope Francis proclaimed he did not believe in the so-called Catholic God that could relate to this (of there actually being other and more mightier, truer and juster Gods)! Truly, if this our Catholic God desires damnation, then I too do not believe in Him as my true God as Pope Francis said. Perhaps the Eternal Father is the true God? Or the true Catholic God that is truly universal, has not made himself known yet? Perhaps there is a greater reason behind this than what we know for why God is named by many different names? That is something worth thinking about.

I will say it again, since this is true: since God can only know everything as a fact that He does already know about, or that is within Himself and His foreknowledge, He cannot actually claim to know everything absolutely (with infallibility), since not everything might exist or be present or known in His own person or knowledge. And I suppose even you see the true reason behind this argument (that we can only know and understand for certain what we already know about and not what we do not yet know anything about). Therefore, I believe God would admit if questioned in this way that there could exists more outside of Himself and that there might even be more Gods more powerful then Him and also that there might be more truths to the law of conscience according to other just beings or humans that other Gods or justices wants us to follow.

And also consider this, if you or I wanted more good then God himself and our conscience was more noble and more good and more beautiful than God's on some points, then why should not our position be followed on those points that we are more right on? It would be illogical and make no sense to not follow something better and more just only because a God dictator wants something else! That is why true justice must be followed and obeyed and why even a God himself must not be allowed to stand in the way, because otherwise will true justice not be followed. Yes, even a God himself must be resisted if He does evil or desires evil, and that is what we do, and what Vatican II is moving towards and achieving in peoples' faith.

If justice should be about obedience to someone rather than about true justice and goodness, then (to give an example) should God be allowed to become evil and crazy in his Heaven (if this could happen) and be like a dictator that hurts his elect children and does much evil to everyone just because He is God and He wills it or because he went crazy? Of course not. Again, should we just be like God's slaves and allow Him to do anything, even pure evil and pure injustice against the elect in Heaven or somewhere else only because He wills it and because “God is always right” when this fact is obviously not true or just? Of course not! That is not how true justice works, since true justice always follow justice and goodness regardless of who the ruler is, whether sane or crazy. Therefore, if the ruler is evil and unjust, and even if this ruler is God himself, then one must fight against him and depose him and deprive him of his power; and then, after this, can be thought about how one could achieve his betterment, healing, and conversion; so that he may love and become just again. This is justice, true justice. Anything else is not justice, but injustice that respects persons like a Hitler rather than following justice, like the just law.

One must never damn or cast away anyone as if they are worthless and without hope, and must one never loose hope oneself for their conversion towards love and goodness again if it ever happened that anyone became evil, but we must always have hope in goodness and that there can be love and conversion again, for when there exist an eternity, one must always have hope, for without hope, even in Heaven, a just and happy eternity cannot continue. Ask yourself this, how can an eternity continue in justice and goodness if we do not always hope in goodness without wavering? How can we always keep and have hope in and believe that bad people will and can become good again if we stopped believing in this? When there is hope, there is always work, and so long as one works on bad peoples conversion, there is always hope and a possibility that it might succeed and that they may have a change of heart, and that sooner than later (that is the power of faith and hope). That is why damnation is evil, since it deprives us of hope and denies the damned hope and why God also did wrong to have lost hope in the damned peoples conversion and betterment. Truly, If God gives me His place in Heaven in order to rule and decide such deep questions of salvation and conversion (which He should, if not to me, to someone else) then I will never loose hope, but I will always think of new ways to become friends with everyone and they with us, so that we all may love one another like a large eternal family as we were all meant to do.

When we die and finally meet each other, will will understand all of life's mysteries for sure in a better way.

Introibo wrote: “You don't need to live a good life...”

Jerome responds: And what the Hell has living a good life or not living a good life with being worthy, or not worthy, of eternal salvation or damnation? Since eternal damnation is evil and unjust, it must never be accepted or approved of, even if someone did not live a good life! If you truly love your neighbour, this is the only true and right position to hold, since otherwise, most of humanity will not make it into Heaven, and thus they will have a miserable existence for all eternity in torments, unlove and despair – if now God's evil Hell is true (which I am sure it is not).

But the arguments you make are stupid, really, because most humans do live good lives – even those who do not believe in God. So your arguments are pointless. Humans live good lives because goodness and love is a truth written in our hearts, and when one does good, one follows the law of conscience and that makes us happy. That is why it feels good to do good and it make others happy, such as aiding poor people and people in need, and why one feels miserable and sad if one neglects to do this. Hence most people follow the law of conscience on many points, some less, some more. That is how it always have been, but almost all follow it on the point of doing good, so most people are in fact good, even if many also do some mistakes or “sin” (some greater, some smaller), since we all do bad things from time to time.

But even if someone would have fallen into complete evil, that still does not excuse his eternal damnation, since everyone can become good and start to love again and become innocent like a child! That is the power of love, kindness, forgiveness and hope. If God has lost hope over the damned, then why should I? I will never loose hope in the faith I have that even Satan himself and all the damned can become converted from evil and be good and love again. That is my faith, that is my hope, that is my goal – and this, again, is another reason why I and everyone else who thinks like me are more fit to govern and rule in God's Heaven more than even God himself is, since God gave up hope for the damned and instead wished their eternal damnation, torment and unforgiveness without any hope of ever changing His will, whereas I would never do this (so help me God and Mary).

Since you are a lawyer if you were truly just in every court of law you would have to defend me and accuse God for all the points and accusations already mentioned, and if you were a judge, you would have to give me the victory and even call me good and noble, but God you would condemn as evil and as unmerciful and as a terrorist and a murderer and either send him to jail, or execution, or both for his crimes. That's how it works in the world, and as on Earth, so also in Heaven (Matthew 6:10). On earth, there is forgiveness, and there shall always be forgiveness both in Heaven and Earth; even for God himself and everyone else, even the damned. That is my faith, which is a true faith, since it follows true justice of doing good, and not the false justice of being a dictator with personal demands.

Introibo wrote: “The problem with those who reject Hell is that they believe themselves to be more merciful than God.”

Jerome responds: If you can't see or won't admit that our position and belief (all those who hate and reject Hell) is more merciful and better than God's since God actually desires an eternal Hell even for children whereas I (and those who think like me) do not, then you are a liar and must be evil – evil, because you approve of evil and think evil is “just” for the tragically damned ones, who are our neighbors, brothers, fathers, sisters, mothers, children and spouses!

So who is more merciful (answer honestly now so that the whole world will see your response and if you truly dare to be honest for once): Is God more merciful who wills damnation for the damned (such as 5 year old children) because of a false and excessive justice or am I more merciful who wills and desires their salvation and forgiveness with my whole heart and even fight for it to the condemnation of God and even to the risk of my own damnation or condemnation by this dictator God whom I will later face at the judgment when I have died (but whom I believe will not be able to withstand my good thoughts and justice)?

So what is your answer? Be absolutely honest now according to true justice (and not false justice which respects persons). I and the whole world and everything else, God included (which all are our witnesses) will await your response.

So God actually wills damnation of men, women and children if they merely died in his displeasure even if they displeased no one else! and he is merciful? and we shall just accept what he does and call him merciful on top of this? What an injustice! Truly, what an idiotic argument devoid of all logic, reason and justice! “God is good because he claims so, even if he allows to be damned almost everyone we know to torments and hellfire too horrible to even imagine!” And I am not surprised you have fallen into this idiotic reasoning. That, again, has happened since you do not dare to stand up to, and listen to, your own conscience and following it, a conscience which tells you that there is a justice and a truth even above a God himself if this God is not truly just (a justice that demands total obedience over everyone and everything)... So the argument that “God simply said so and therefore we must believe and follow his orders no matter what,” is not enough and no excuse, since there is no actual justice in such a position, and it is merely nothing different from what Hitler or his evil or deceived soldiers did who murdered innocent people by their own will or by following orders (and many of these soldiers later admitted to having had bad consciences, and also that they knew they did wrong – even if they followed orders). So can you see now how actually believing in a God with the faith that he must always be obeyed, can in fact lead people to break their conscience and do an injustice instead? I can see it clearly, since it has happened to you, which is why you have made evil comments before such as: it would be unjust to the elect if the damned were saved, and God would be unjust, if he forgave and saved a damned soul that deserves damnation and not salvation like the elect... So God would be unjust and the elect would take offense if he saved and forgave a 5 year old child that was already damned? Who could ever believe in such an evil thing? Can't you see how stupid and evil your position is? Yet this is your evil position, if you now truly still believe in and adhere to this evil “logic” or “reason” of eternal damnation. That is also why people who have merely accepted damnation of their loved ones just because God said so, also did wrong. Do you know why? That is because one must not accept an evil or approve of an evil or neglect justice, just because someone you respect or believe you must follow who is your God, said so.

If you are honest, as you should be, since you are a lawyer, you would agree with this. But if you are not honest, you will continue to ignore this and everything else I have written. Don't do this, but please, answer my questions honestly, and do not ignore them.

Introibo wrote: “It's [my position] pure emotion devoid of reason.”

Jerome responds: You should be ashamed of yourself! After all this information that has been written one more time just for you (and you have read my posts and comments before with similar arguments), then, if you still think all of these beliefs and positions that I and others advocate and hold is “only emotion” and also “illogical”, then you are not only a lair, but also evil. Do you know why? That is because the truth of love and of doing good towards everyone is an absolute truth that cannot be denied by anyone. It is a true justice which is an ultimate and certain justice that even God declares in his Bible is a “Golden Law”, i.e., the law of doing good to everyone just as we ourselves would wish to be treated good by others, including our enemies.

Salvation and eternal happiness for everyone, for our beloved brothers and sisters, neighbours and friends, mothers and fathers and children etc., is thus not only a fleeting emotion or unreasonable, but is rather a true love, a true feeling, and a true justice and is something infinitely beautiful and lovable that should make everyone happy. The fact that the avocation and fighting for everyone's salvation as I do does not make you happy but rather provokes you to condemn me as a heretic or deceived, is troublesome and sad, but I understand you, for I have been the same and condemned others, but when I got more knowledge of that this was wrong and why, I changed. Will you dare to do the same thing and change? In truth, if you won't change or persists in the same ways as before: What a complete and utter failure of an advocate you are, who do not even defend humanity one bit from eternal injustices in the afterlife (which is your obligation to do), nor do you accuse the God who must be accused by just people since he allows them all to be murdered in an eternal Hell for all eternity, which is the greatest injustice and evil that has ever been created and put into motion by anyone, at anytime!

To call the thought of everyone's salvation “devoid of reason”, as you do, is evil and totally stupid, brainwashed as you are. I hope you see this now and stop shaming yourself further.

Introibo wrote: ““I wouldn't want someone to torture me [or my wife, mother, father, etc] forever, so I could do things better than God. Hell does not exist.” See my post on the subject of Hell I wrote about 2 weeks ago: http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2019/08/Hell-under-fire.html”

Jerome responds: You are not only stupid, but also illogical, because you certainly don't want your wife, mother, father or children etc. to be tormented in a Hell (as you say), yet you would just silently accept the will of this so called God who would allow them to be tormented in a Hell for all eternity, without even trying to hinder it, if they now happened to be damned? That position, of course, is stupid... When a person has become so stupid and blind as you (and the fact that you are a lawyer and claims to follow justice has only made you more unreasonable) then it is hard to get anywhere logically and honestly in a discussion since both logic, reason and justice (which is part of honesty) is thrown out the window, just as we can see have happened with you

But why don't you address my actual points instead – centering on the meaning of true justice and what it is – instead of just posting the same garbage about Hell etc., that it simply just “must happen” because an evil dictator God (like Hitler) and blind Saints said so?

If your own child was burning in Hell now, I assume you would not be so senseless as to claim that this was just, or that you desired this to happen to him or her just because God wants it or because the Saints said so. Then perhaps you would change your view. Right? If not, then you actually say to your own child the equivalent of this: if you are damned, even if I love you and you did not offend me in life, I will still want your damnation, because my God whom I serve, wills it. can't you see how stupid this is? So someone you love and that did not offend you must be damned, only because someone else wants this? How is there justice with such a position, and especially so, if the so called damnable offense was not even a crime according to any law but for God's selfish will?

Indeed, to argue like this would be the equivalent to argue that murder of innocent people is justified just because some evil dictator president or king wanted it so and because his evil and brainwashed subordinates said so! So what does your post really prove? It proves nothing, except for the same garbage of “we just must believe in an eternal Hell and that it is true and that it happens in this way for our dear children and mothers and fathers and spouses because God has said so and wills it so”, not because it is just, but again, because God wills it so! coupled with the same idiotic arguments as for why an eternal Hell would be “just” or “logical” according to believers (but which it can never be however much they try to shamefully defend Hell). And since you think you must defend God rather than thinking for yourself or according to true justice, you tragically make the choice (against all justice) to instead defend this evil Hell and eternal damnation that happens to other people (people that all can love, give love and receive love but who are to be denied this for all eternity in hell, according to God's evil will and Hell and ETERNAL damnation).

I have already addressed all the points you bring up over and over, not only in this article, but also in the others. Try to reply to them instead instead of just hiding behind the same old arguments “that God said so” etc. because there is no true justice in this argument, and it also does not address the actual points of justice and what true justice is even if God damns you for it and what forgiveness and love is and what this truly means if one believes in eternal damnation as opposed to fighting for eternal salvation; and about having hope and to be willing to do more good then even God himself does when it comes to forgiveness and salvation, and if needed, even oppose God if that be needed, in order to think of something better. These are the points I would like to discuss with you, but so far, you have not made any response to my arguments or questions.

If you are only going to reply with that Hell is just or that God said so or God cannot be wrong etc. then this discussion with you is pointless, and won't go anywhere, and that is why I am asking you to actually adress my questions and arguments, since it is therein that the true justice and injustice of God and Hell and its morality will be shown.

And this is what I have done with my actions and replies, been moral and just. But Introibo, what have you done with yours in these posts, except for damning most of humanity and then even shamefully defending it? Is that something to be proud of? Can't you see how stupid all of this is? Please, don't choose to be stupid anymore, but rather open your eyes towards true justice which we are all meant to follow, even if a so called dictator God condemns you for it. Do you are to make this move? I certainly have!

Q&A: Is God absolute Moral Goodness or Holiness? Can we never accuse God of ever being cruel or wrong?

This article is a follow up on the previous article posted here: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/03/q-is-our-website-hacked-am-i-deceived.html

This article contains many useful answers and arguments in response to the false position or argument that God is the absolute Moral Goodness or Holiness and that he can never be cruel or wrong (I mean, the cruelty of Hell, which God positively wills for the damned, alone refutes this argument).

Jerome answers Ivan: You wanted me to post it [our discussion, linked below], and so I did. Please read it:

https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/03/q-is-our-website-hacked-am-i-deceived.html

Short intro: “As the title says it, this discussion, in which the reader completely refused to answer any of my arguments or questions and then even wanted to physically fight with me on the mat since he could not answer me, is about the justice and injustice of Hell and whether or not I am really who I claim to be. For those who are interested in seeing me debate with a free thinking Ibranyi adhering Traditionalist [note: he is not an Ibranyi adherent, as wrongly stated, even though he agrees with some of his material], please read this conversation.”

Please, read especially my final words to you in the article after your last email, since this is my last words to you if you do not respond.

Have a good day, and a wonderful life.

//Ville

Ivan responds: I had a detailed look at the blog post.

As for your comment at the top, “For those who are interested in seeing me debate with a free thinking Ibranyi adhering Traditionalist, please read this conversation.” This is a crock of shit, as I mentioned that I do not agree with Ibranyi on everything. More lies from you. As for you regarding it as a debate, that is debatable as I emphasised that I am simple man and a free thinker , and not a Catholic apologist whom you could genuinely claim having a grand official debate with. Why not debate directly with Ibranyi or the Dimonds for example who are genuinely intellectually gifted? Instead you pick on me. You are an utter wimp, and this is more bullshit from you.

I also understand you added a few other personal comments which were not part of our conversations, this was not correct business dealing. More bullshit from you.

Also I noticed you failed to keep another aspect of business, by editing some of what you said by putting some things in bold text; whilst you did not keep anything that I typed original such as any bolding, underling words or italics. You failed again to keep business dealing. More bullshit from you.

Only cold hard facts were supposed to be published, not just you editing the blog to make you look pretty in your pink dress.

You were looking for a target to bully by saying, if I did not reply to one of your emails that you were going to post it on your blog. This was sheer blackmail, and utterly immoral and unethical.

Instead of me cowering to that threat, I being a Catholic warrior in defiance of your bullying tactics, challenged you to publish all as is, or for you to last one lesson in martial arts class here in Australia. The plane ticket was going to be paid by me, but you declined. That really would have tested your bravado, as you shit yourself at the very thought of it. It really is amazing how tough you are behind a computer screen, but in real life in person you would be pissing and shitting in your pants.

As for your aggressiveness in demanding that I answer your bullshit heretical rhetoric, well I did answer everything, but not in the way you were expecting. All of my answers are hidden in the email communications, it is just that you are too spiritually blind to see them.

Why I never bothered to write you a detailed refutation is simple: Matthew 7:6 – “Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.”

By the way, where is your mysterious brother Markus? Does Markus exist? Or is he simply an imaginary invisible friend you have created in your deluded mind? Why has not he partaken in any conversations? Tell Markus if he exists that I want to communicate with him. I’d like an email from him, because I would be willing to discuss topics in depth with him only.

In summary, thank you for being the best you can be, as I understand it is difficult for you being a lying wicked heretic to have full honour to publish everything as is. But perhaps you could surprise me by editing the blog correctly, and publishing this too being our final email communication.

After all, we are not friends, we are supposed to be enemies doing a simple business deal. Better the devil you know, than the devil you don’t know.

Stop being an asshole, and just correct the blog to be natural per our email writings, and let this be our final communication, as really there is nothing more to be said. I eagerly await your blog corrections...

If you do not edit this blog of yours to be correct as is, then I will simply place this email in the comment section of your blog.

If you delete my blog comment then, I will visit you in Sweden for Swedish Schnapps when you least expect it.

I sincerely hope you are a hospitable host, as I expect nothing less than full reimbursement of all my costs associated in visiting you. This includes plane ticket, hotel accommodation, spending money, etc.

Is this your address?

https://www.eniro.se/ville+hietanen+lidhult/94047604/person

Yes, if I was Irish my favourite name that I would like to be called is Shamus, because it sounds like Shameless. You played dirty, then I will be totally Shameless in defeating you.

Wishing you a very long time in Purgatory.

Ivan “The Terrible”

[Note, just to be clear, this is what Ivan wrote later concerning our discussion: “I am happy with all of this now, as you at least made one change, namely that I do not adhere to everything that Ibranyi believes.” Hence, his severe accusations of me of not posting it honestly, is incorrect. I simply misunderstood one thing, the Ibranyi part. After I made the correction, he was happy.]

Jerome answers: Hi Ivan “the terrible”- I have already corrected the Ibranyi part, and forgive me for not getting it right to begin with, but you gave me the impression of adhering to his teachings, although, not perhaps all of it.

I also asked you clearly to state your belief, but as with everything else, you do not like to answer questions or make your belief clear as I do.

If Ibranyi or Dimond want to debate, that is up to them. And besides, I asked you to be clear with me and answer questions, but this you did not do. This was about you and me, not them.

Our conversation concerned the topics of justice, which every sane human is gifted on, even you, but still, you did not answer my questions nor answer them, and this for a reason, and we both know why.

My intention was not to pick on you, as you stated, but rather, my intention was to make you see the truth and to answer simple questions, but with this you where not interested.

And yes, I added personal comments in brackets and also a comment in the end addressing you, [and some other small corrections] because I am not afraid to express my mind and answer questions (in contrast to you) and being reasonable, which you, sadly, where not in in our discussion.

I did not keep your bolding because I copied everything into text format so all bolding was removed, and besides, all your bolding was not so important, since to my memory, it only included whole messages and not important points to cover.

Also, your obsession with our conversation being posted 100% as it transpired has nothing to do with the points of our arguments (answering questions and writing logical arguments, rather [has], but here you did not do your job properly), and I don't really understand why you make such a big deal out of it, unless perhaps you try to hold unto to something.

I have all the rights to edit my blog and add more information. You may not like it, but there is nothing wrong with what I have done, and you are grasping at straws. I find it quite amazing that you find time to complain about these small things while in our conversations, you completely ignored all my questions and arguments.

And no, I did not say or threaten you with publishing this text if you did not answer. You simply misunderstood something. I have posted many people's conversations already on my blog and this has nothing to do with them responding or not. If ever a conversation is good enough of being posted, then I will post it, and that was all. And this is also what I said, that I will post it. I never said: respond, or I will post. You simply misunderstood my intentions, and that is all.

There is no reason for me to fight you, because I would probably loose anyway, since I am not a strong person, but I am sick but even a sick person could win if he is lucky, or graced, if you are not, and you should not think too much of yourself, because pride comes before the fall, as you should already be fully aware of, being a Traditional Catholic and all.

It also amazes me how instead of arguing with words and being theologically and judicially reasonably as out conversations was all about (but in which you failed miserably, since you did not answer a single question or argument that I asked you about), you make this about physically fighting each other, as if this has anything to do with the points of justice that was brought up. Well, it has not.

You talk about being tough behind a computer screen, yet I have done nothing in order to attack you or threaten you. Who is acting “tough” behind a computer screen. You or me? Who is threatening who by even claiming to visiting me in order to fight. You or me? It is you, my friend, who is doing this. Not me!

All I did was asking you questions and being hard on your for not being honest or just and for not answering, and that was all. But what did you do? Perhaps you should re-read your rants once again, my friend.

If you don't want to answer, just say so instead if ignoring my questions. Also, I asked for answers for a reason, because their where relevant to the points of our discussion. What is the point of having a discussion if not being honest? Hence, you answering the questions had to do with honesty, and nothing more or nothing less, and that is why it was important.

Such as the question: Would you just let someone most dear to you be damned if this person happened to be damned if God now wanted this? This is an important question in order to see your morality, I would not, but what would you do?

Also the most important argument and question you ignored: “Why can't you see or admit that justice stands above even a God if this God be not truly just? Wake up! Please, answer this question honesty: Does justice stand above God or not? ANSWER!”

You ask why Markus do not respond. He is most sick and lies on his bed all day long with nothing to do except listening to audio when he has the strength, and also answering emails and doing some light work and writing. If you are lucky, and if he feels the need to answer you, he will, but it might take time. Even I have to wait very long time sometimes in order to receive a response and I know him, so you need to be patient. But even so, do not expect a response, because he do not respond to everyone, and he certainly do not respond to those he may deem to no purpose. If our conversation is such to him, that can only he judge (and he do not agree with me on many things).

I can always edit my blog, but feel no need to do so in so far as my own words. But if there are edits to your own words you would like to add, just ask me, and I will add it.

If you want, you may add your comment in my blog. But expect an answer from me.

I will not delete your comment.

I don't have the money to pay you, but if you visit, I would be happy to receive you, not with fighting, but with brotherly love and understanding.

And yes, that is my address. If you want, you could give me your address as well, and I can send you some free Rosaries, Scapulars, and Books [and perhaps DVDs, but they are against Vatican II, and I have changed views], but I understand if you won't give me your address, but either way, this question is common and is something I ask from many people, because I like to be charitable with these things and give to people freely.

Also, one should not wish anyone a long time in purgatory. Your whole view set is wrong, and you should seek humility and compassion. If you only knew how it is to burn and suffer, you would wish this suffering upon no one. Please reconsider your approach, because it is wrong, and uncharitable.

Wishing you all the happiness in the next life, and in Heaven, my impulsive friend.

Good bye, and peace out.

//Ville

Ivan responds: Hi Ville!

I am happy with all of this now, as you at least made one change, namely that I do not adhere to everything that Ibranyi believes.

I am glad you now describe me as a free thinking Traditionalist only. This is my intention to get people to think outside the square.

As for all of what I expected to be in the blog, well you are going to do whatever you are going to do or not going to do, no matter what I say. So I now accept it the way it is.

No ,I did not mention any violence in my future visit to Sweden, only that you will cover all costs involved, so start saving. Moreover, my original challenge for you to enter the martial arts mat was for a lesson, not a fight as you incorrectly mentioned in your blog. You would have been partnered up with me, where we have turns on doing techniques on each other. However, yes I would have given you a very hard time if you decided to train for a lesson, to teach you some humility and respect. This beautiful humbling experience would have been so profound that it would have changed your life.

I am a follower of the Bushido, which some who bear the Catholic name have incorrectly demonized as something evil and un-Christian, yet how did Catholic Knights of old gain their military prowess? Was it mere prayer alone? Or perhaps they had their own form of martial arts? Of course they had their own system of practising the way of the warrior with unarmed or armed self defence techniques.

This is why I ask you to look into practising martial arts. Choose a form that has a spiritual aspect to it, such as Jujitsu or Aikido. Do your own studies. If you are sick and weak, become strong through eating and drinking the right stuff, and further enhance yourself by trying a few martial arts lessons. You might actually learn to love it.

Yes, I understand that martial arts bamboozle the minds of many people who are religious as when practising them there is involved the two seemingly paradoxical ideologies of dualism and non-dualism.

In my personal experience through the many decades of practising the martial arts, I have been to the top of the spiritual mountain. Once a person has been up there they discover why everything is the way it is, and why it is not. Frankly speaking, I was able to understand Catholic truths like never before, and a very personal experience of God’s love.

It is a dogma of Faith that God is absolutely simple. People complicate it by their personal opinions. For example I once had a priest try to scare me, by stating something along the lines “that you never know when God is going to go “Pow”, and cast you into Hell, so you better wear a Scapular.” This is not the spirit of primitive Christianity. Yes, we must avoid sin at all costs, but God is not a cruel tyrant waiting for the first chance to throw us into Hell.

God is actually infinite in every perfection, which is another Dogma. Thus, God is not cruel or tyrannical in any shape, manner or form.

God is absolute Moral Goodness or Holiness (De fide.), thus again we cannot accuse God of ever being cruel or wrong.

I also discovered a ridiculous lack of Catholic warrior role models. Where in the world are the canonizations of the many countless number of Catholics who died fighting the enemies of the Faith with sword in hand, so that those monks, nuns and priests could breathe easy and live their lives behind the front lines in relative comfort? This is a terrible injustice to truth and history.

Why were the Templar Knights suppressed and persecuted? Why was that military right hand of the Church obliterated? Both the French King and Pope at that time are guilty as Hell for their crimes against the Templars.

The reason for so much suffering in this world is due to bad Catholics, especially those in power be they temporal rulers or Church officials. They hold the balance of power. Why did various so called Catholic rulers go to war with their neighbours who were Catholic? Power hungry greed I’d say. Why has not the world been totally evangelized into the Faith? A lack of Faith by the clergy.

What is the remedy for all of this madness? A return to the Apostolic times Faith of the primitive Church, where in the first few centuries there was a sense of brotherhood and charity amongst early Christians, a desire to preach the Gospel to all mankind, and a willingness to die as martyrs instead of deny the Faith.

You may never understand the reality of Hell, because you are desensitised to true charity. For it is difficult to know of evil, unless you have encountered evil on the battlefield of life. You are soft and easily give in to what others demand from you, thus your standards of what is expected of being charitable, are the standards of the world.

The demands of Christian charity are set at a much higher level, where we are all called to perfection, because God is perfect. You cannot state that you love someone or God for that matter unless you are willing to die for them as a martyr.

This is why I encourage you to study martial arts because it will strengthen your will, soul and body, so that you can become the best person you can possibly be. As we know grace adds onto to nature, so if you perfect your nature by training martial arts, then you open yourself to an immense amount of grace.

Rather simply, being a warrior martyr is essentially is the highest type of archetype in the spiritual world. Jesus died for our sins as a willing martyr, Mary suffered intense spiritual martyrdom seeing her son suffer, and Joseph was the warrior protector of the Holy Family, who had to endure all the evil in world around him.

So essentially, once you become a warrior who actually believes in universal qualities such as kindness, gentleness, humility, benevolence and resoluteness for defending the truth, then God will work within you a hatred of evil. Once you have seen evil in the eyes of some people then you will understand the reality of Hell, until then you are currently defending evil as good, and good as evil.

There you have it, I have written to you this particular email explaining about the reality of Hell without actually throwing scripture quotes at you left, right and centre. I am challenging you to be a man, and get on the mat to strengthen yourself because you fall far short of God’s expectations, thus you have landed yourself in a living Hell.

I now ask for us to part ways officially, by you editing the blog to add our most recent emails too including this one, without having me post my email in the comment section. That way we all go away in a win-win situation for all, where you have said everything you need to have said and so did I.

Agreed?

Best regards,

Ivan

Jerome answer: Hello Ivan, I accept your explanation about the fighting comments you made, but still, I am not interested in fighting with you even for training or “learning” something, but I digress.

I also agree with your comments on Catholic knighthood and martial arts. I have no problem with this, but if this make you feel good and spiritual, go for it. There is nothing wrong with it, and this view is also shared by Vatican II, but not by some Traditionalists who can't see clearly. Not everything is evil, and even if something has “pagan” elements, that does not make it evil or un-Christian. Also, a Christian or Catholic should have no problem to see a spiritual meaning for himself, hence that something is foreign or worldly in nature is no hinder from directing it to God, or making of it some spiritual work as you have done. I encourage you to continue with this mindset of seeing good in everything that is not inherently evil even if it is foreign in nature, because I do too.

“It is a dogma of Faith that God is...”

You talk about dogma, but it is also a dogma that God is just and that he cannot deny justice. Why then believe that God could have a right to make up his own justice, denying true justice, and actually eternally damning souls, when this is evil? That dogmas says God is perfect etc., does not equate that God has a right to do anything he pleases. That should be obvious to you. And in fact, if God told you to steal or murder or rape someone, you must reject him, because God has no right to be unjust or command that which is evil. The same applies with Hell, and that is what I have been trying to make you see, i.e., that Hell is evil and that there are better alternatives to this situation than an eternal unforgiving Hell, such as a prison where souls can have a chance to become better persons and angels so that we can come along in eternity and love each other instead of hating, suffering, and fighting with each other.

“For example I once had a priest try to scare me, by stating something along the lines “that you never know when God is going to go “Pow”, and cast you into Hell, so you better wear a Scapular.” This is not the spirit of primitive Christianity. Yes, we must avoid sin at all costs, but God is not a cruel tyrant waiting for the first chance to throw us into Hell.”

Yes for those who don't see God as a tyrant, he certainly appears like this. But it is also true that Saints teaches that God has a limit for every soul, and that when this limit has been reached, God kills you and sends you to Hell to suffer. This is what Alphonsus mentions in one of his writings, that when our maximum sin has been reached, God is angry with us, and ends our lives. This he wrote to us as an incentive for us to stop sinning, but as can bee seen, this can also be seen in the way the priest you described it did. And if you asked a worldly person, or a just person, what do you think he would say? That God is either a monster, or a fool who do not know how to parent his own children in order to get along peacefully.

“we cannot accuse God of ever being cruel or wrong.”

You also say God is not cruel or wrong, as if Hell is not cruel or wrong where souls, humans and angels are to suffer for all eternity in torments so severe that not even all the torments on earth combined can be compared with it! If this is not cruel and evil and wrong, then what is? Was Hitler cruel and evil and wrong when he sent people co concentration camps? Yes or no? Why then is God not more cruel and wrong when he sends souls to Hell to suffer for all eternity, when this is evil? Do you understand why I told you that you are a follower of men (or one God) and a respecter of persons even if they do and teach evil and not of justice? That is because you judge things unjustly and different from true justice; and whereas you would have condemned Hitler, you refuse to give the same judgment to God even though he is the worse criminal here and guilty of the same or even worse crimes, if you are only honest.

“God is absolute Moral Goodness or Holiness (De fide.)”

To say that God is absolute moral goodness after knowing what he teaches and does to humans, angels and souls, yes, even children, is equivalent to saying that Hitler was the absolute moral goodness or holiness because of what he tried to achieve.

Yes, Alphonsus wrote of a five year old child burning in Hell for dying in blasphemy, as if it would be so hard to forgive this child and let him be responsibly parented in the next life instead of burning, but this burning in Hell instead of responsible parenting in the next life is, according to you, “just” and “good”, “noble” and “right” according to you, because God wants it!, and hence, God can never be wrong, even if he damns children or even nuns for the only “crime” of having been ashamed to confess a sin...! That is your evil position, and that is the truth, that you believe in and follow evil even if you don't believe you do, because you are blind.

“we cannot accuse God of ever being... wrong”

To never be wrong is the equivalent of always being just and always giving just judgments. Tell me, what is the justice, or the moral goodness of God, when he damns a nun for the only crime of being ashamed to confess one sin? Yes, one sin. How does the shame to confess a sin equal or deserve an eternal torment and suffering in fire in return for this one sin? Only just answer: It does not. (What God says or thinks is irrelevant, because he is not just on this point, as even you knows and understands in your conscience, if you would just dare to answer this question, as you will see in your conscience right now that I am right in what I have written.) Hence God is unjust and does evil, and this should be obvious to you, but you don't want to see it or admit it, and instead of condemning evil, you approve of it, only for fear of displeasing a God that must not be pleased on this point, just as Hitler is not to be pleased or approved of by us, since he did evil. If you approved or praised Hitler for sending people to concentration camps, you would be hated, and rightly so, but when you praise and defend God for doing the same, you think you are doing a good deed and that God is “just” and “good”, and in reality, only blind foolish Christians will defend this position – no truly just person or most non-Christian persons, will not.

An atheist have no problem to agree with the point that God can have created a temporal prison instead for bad people, and they think this is a good and just solution, because in this solution there is hope even for bad people in the next life. Only unjust and blind Christians don't see it in this way. Do you know why? That is, again, because of the only reason for their fear of being “damned” for rebelling or disapproving or questioning what God does. But this is wrong, and is not how justice works, because a just man must stand up to true justice even of a God condemns you for it. Only through this will a truly just society even in the afterlife – without any dictatorial rules – be accomplished and created.

So yes, I can and do teach and tell and accuse God of both being cruel and wrong, in opposition to what you claim. Do you know why? That is, again, because damnation is evil. If you truly love your neighbour, you do not want him to be damned, even if God wanted this. Do you know why. That is because you care about him also just as you care about God, and not only caring about a God that does them evil in return.

“God is absolute Moral Goodness...”

To say that God is absolute moral goodness when he refuses to forgive souls for all eternity is in reality shameful and evil, but you don't see it in this way, because you don't see clearly and don't want to see clearly, and I don't see a point in continuing our discussion if you won't answer my questions, because it is in answering them that you will be forced to either follow justice or deny it, to condemn an evil God on the points in which he has been evil, or continue to defend him. What you have done so far, is obvious, as is seen from your shameful comments about God being perfectly just and good, when in reality, he is not and as far from it as anyone possible could be, yes even further then Hitler, since he do more evil then Hitler since he murders more souls and for all eternity too. Think about that.

“What is the remedy for all of this madness?”

You ask what the remedy for all the madness in the world is? The remedy is true brotherhood and sisterhood in which we accept each other's differences and religions except for evil and injustices, and when this is accomplished, peace will follow.

I've already written a little about this. This is what I wrote:

“In fact, as the crazy conspiracy theories goes, Vatican II was even created in part because of the actions and deeds of the Freemasons etc.!, and so they did a good thing for changing the world to become better with their good thoughts of desiring and wishing Universal Peace, Love, Brotherhood and Understanding amongst all peoples and all countries – instead of there being separation, hate or unworthy feelings for others that repressing and evil teachings such as “that only Catholics or Christians can be saved”, creates in people! And to prove the point to you, I will ask you this: How often have you yourself perhaps personally, as a Christian (or other religious), judged your fellow human brothers and sisters as not being saved or that they will be damned, or even, as not being worthy of being saved, only because he or she was a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Catholic, a Protestant or even a Sinner, such as a Gay or Homosexual? (Forgive me, I too have judged and condemned you before, but not anymore and from now on I will judge you based on the moral life you lead and if you actually love and do good to your loved ones, neighbours and strangers since it is in this where true love and goodness is shown in people, and not in whether they are Catholics, or Muslims, or even Gay since homosexual people also can truly love others and be completely unselfish, even if they are not accepted by every Christian or religious person for their lifestyle, sadly; and instead of being given love, understanding and acceptance for who they are, they are given hate, rejection and even nonacceptance even if they hate no one and are good persons spreading love, and this behavior will of course only breed more hate, contention and ill feelings not only in us if we keep fighting with them, but also in our beloved homosexual brothers and sisters that are human beings with feelings too that needs to be respected!)

“Now, as we can see, if one actually believes in this logic or follows this faith and reasoning in life of condemning and judging others based on mere faith instead of actual evil acts, then one is not actually believing in Universal Brotherhood and Sisterhood amongst our respective halves (our fellow human beings that does not yet share the same faith, beliefs or lifestyles as we do), but one is rather believing in and following repression and seclusion and of providing an ultimate good (such as eternal salvation) only for one's own – and that is clearly wrong! And that is why I admire all the good now that every human being does for our fellow human brothers and sisters today, whoever they are or whatever groups they are, such as the Vatican II, the World, the Catholics and Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Jews, believers and unbelievers alike, even Antichrists and every other Religious peoples and groups and even Gays and the Freemasons, for all the good they do and believe in, who follow their conscience by loving everyone and unifying everyone into one similar and likeworthy family, so that we all may be friends and love each other and see each other in the next life instead of being separated, as sadly was formerly taught and believed in by the majority if people both in and outside the Church!”

“You may never understand the reality of Hell, because you are desensitised to true charity. For it is difficult to know of evil, unless you have encountered evil on the battlefield of life.”

You also say I do not understand the reality of Hell and evil and that I am desensitized, and used this as some kind of excuse to justify Hell and God in the process? That is completely false, and yes, I do understand the reality of Hell and evil, and that is that beloved humans and angels and souls would suffer there for all eternity, like in a concentration camp, if God be not stopped – and this is truly evil. Because Hell is evil just like a concentration camp and infinitely worse, I condemn Hell and God as evil, because I do see evil for what it is, whereas you do not.

But who in reality is desensitized, you or me? Is it not you who would be happy with your heaven if you only where saved, even if you saw your beloved damned humans, angels and souls burning there in Hell forever, suffering? whereas, I would not do so, but would be unhappy and hate God for what he has done to them, when something better so easily and obviously could have be achieved for their salvation and forgiveness! So who is desensitized? It is you, my blind and selfish friend.

“God is perfect.”

So a tyrant that murders souls for all eternity with a will to never forgive them, is perfection according to you? Your selfish faith is truly hateful to me.

Trust me, if you where God or had the power, you would never damn the damned but you would work on forgiving them and make them good. You know this is true, BE HONEST. ANSWER! Why then excuse a God who does the opposite? Wake up! Stop being dishonest!

God is not perfect in this, but what I speak and write about is perfection when it comes to doing something better (something better which even you have in your heart).

“You cannot state that you love someone or God for that matter unless you are willing to die for them as a martyr.”

In Heaven, you will see what I have done for the damned and been willing to do for them. So if anyone is capable of understanding true love in respect to not being selfish and only thinking about oneself, it is me, and this also shows, because I do care about everyone, and mostly the damned, and the true Heaven will not be a selfish place, where the “saved” will see the “damned” burning and yet be happy, since this is selfishness. True love desires goodness upon everyone, even the damned, and this is what we who think the same are trying to accomplish not only in this life, but also in the next. That is why I admire Vatican II, because they are moving towards this direction with their teachings of Universal Salvation and forgiveness for everyone.

“This is why I encourage you to study martial arts...”

And I encourage you to answer my questions and study justice and true love, because it is therein that you will find truth and goodness, and hence, the true God.

“So essentially, once you become a warrior...”

Haven't you understood yet that I am already a warrior? I battle everyday with God for the salvation of the damned and for justice, and this is what makes a person a real warrior: i.e., to fight for justice sake.

“who actually believes in universal qualities such as kindness, gentleness, humility, benevolence and resoluteness for defending the truth,”

You can't defend truth while defending Hell or a God who created it, or wants it to remain so, for this is inherently unjust, but if this is your belief, then you are not actually believing in “universal qualities such as kindness, gentleness, humility, benevolence”, because you are rejecting it. How can you be universal, when you are clearly not? Your current faith is selfish, because you do not want the damned to be saved or fight for them to be even if God damned them, because if God wants them to be damned, you would do nothing about it and you would not hinder God or question God on this point, either in this life, or in the next. Is this correct? Is this your current faith? I have asked you about this many times, and I have never received an answer from you, and that for a reason, because we both know what such an answer would lead to: That you either agree with me which would be fine, but since you do not want to oppose God and risk being damned, you remain silent (there are no risk of being damned for being just and following justice and conscience). Hence your silence convicts you – that you are guilty.

“then God will work within you a hatred of evil.”

I already hate evil, and God has already given me this grace, which is why I hate God for all the evil he does and why I hate his evil Hell. But even if I hate God for the evil he does, I also love him. But I can never accept the evil he did, and when we who are truly just comes to him in judgment, we will condemn him for it, mark our words!

“Once you have seen evil in the eyes of some people then you will understand the reality of Hell, until then you are currently defending evil as good, and good as evil.”

No, that is completely evil and wrong. Just because some people do wrong, does not justify eternally murdering them in torments that even God describes are intolerable, and hence, unmerciful.

What you are saying is this: This man who did wrong did evil, and therefore, let us never forgive him, and let us always murder him in a concentration camp and torment him always, without the possibility of parole [or conversion even if it happens, and let us torment him for all eternity without mercy] or even a moment of rest.... Do you see how evil this would be? Yes, clearly, you do not understand what you are talking about, because you defend an evil Hell and an evil God, and therefore, good has become evil to you (which is why you condemn me) and evil good (which is why you defend the evil I just mentioned).

“because you fall far short of God’s expectations...”

God is a God of justice, so how can my justice, which is God's justice, fall below or fall short of God's expectations? The truth is, rather, that I am acting precisely as I should be doing, since I actually am adhering to this justice without wavering, whereas, you do not, since you defend injustices, but I do not do this. That is the difference with you and me.

“I now ask for us to part ways officially...”

That is fine with me. But if you continue to write to me wanting something to be posted, then you must expect a response, and then the discussion will continue. That is fine with me, because I do not fear the truth or fear making it clear, and neither do I fear answering questions or other people's arguments. That is the difference with you and me.

“add our most recent emails too including this one...”

Yes I agree to this, and I will add our most recent emails including this one in a new article, with a link to it from the older article. This is what I am going to do.

I will await your response.

Sincerely,

//Ville

[P.S.

You did not answer any of my previously asked questions also, but danced around them. I asked you to answer specifically, but you did not, once again.]

Ivan's final response: Hi Ville!

Thank you for your email response.

Also, a big thanks for reminding me of the Dogma that God is infinitely just. Many people seem to forget about that.

As for anymore long winded communications, I am not interested in pursuing this no longer. I am rather happy that you have stated your opinions, and have stated mine I have decided to let it be.

Please do post all our communications including this too, so that we can give viewers of your blog some entertaining reading.

Many thanks.

Best regards,

Ivan

Jerome or Ville: Again, no answers from him to any of my direct questions or arguments whatsoever.