This
is my response to Introibo's most recent comment to me, in which he
again avoided my questions and also, he did not post my comments in
his blog even though he claims not to be afraid of a challenge.
1.
Introibo, you did not answer any of my questions once again.
This is the fourth time you ignored all my questions. And we both
know why: you are afraid to be shown wrong, and to see that I write
reasonable, because then it would mean you are wrong, and that your
position is unjust (which it also is) and that is the point. That is
why you cannot and will not answer the question as to what you would
do if you were God and if you would damn people if you had the power
of God, or if he lent you his power to do as you please with the
damned, what would you do? Would you not forgive them and work on
their betterment for all eternity then instead of damning them I
asked repeatedly? You never responded. Never! But we all know
the answer you would give if you would answer. Hence, God is unjust,
because you would not damn anyone yourself because damnation is evil
and unjust.
Again,
if you were God, you would not damn anyone, but you would work
for all eternity that evil people may become good. I know I am right
on this, hence you do not even agree with your own God on this,
but you only agree with him silently because you think you have to,
and because you fear being damned and you are afraid to stand up to
true justice because you fear a God who must not be feared on this
point.
2.
You also took me out of context in order to make me look bad and
then you attacked me. This is a common tactic of cowards who have
nothing to say, so instead they look for something to take out of
context and then give a false reply that is not true or itself taken
out of context in order to make the opponent look bad, and then they
hope that they can shift the discussion to some other topic or that
it will just end, while ignoring the arguments completely, and that
is also what you did, for you neither posted my comments on your blog
nor answered any single argument or question I asked you except for
taking me out of context, and you only make yourself look all the
more stupid and dishonest for doing that.
This
is how my comment continued, and which you did not show:
“You
say God and Hitler is not the same? False, we are all the same, and
we all originated from God, and we were all created in his likeness,
and
besides, my argument was that they are the same in relation to the
crimes they perpetuated or still perpetuates, because God, just like
Hitler, damns innocent people who have made no real crimes except for
transgression against his own will.”
(Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-jerome-your-argumentation-is-so-pathetic-fourth-response-to-introibo.html)
So as
everyone can see, I merely stated in my comment that their similarity
was in doing evil, and not that a man is God in actuality or that
they are exactly the same. However, I did point out that man and God
are the same in the sense that we came from God, and that he created
us in his likeness, but that does not mean I said we are like God or
similar to him, because I simply cannot know what God is. But that is
not to say I believe God is good of perfect, but neither do I think
we are like unto God, unless we think for justice sake, for men can
be and are more times more just then God (such as men who do not will
or desire the damnation of others, are more just than God).
Also,
even if we are not God, that does not mean we cannot be something
else more powerful then God, if not by our own justice that exceeds
his own, then at least by having received this power from God. For
even if God has all the power from himself and we have nothing of
ourselves, if God is not completely just and someone is better then
him, then it is only right that God shares his power with this other
person and makes him more powerful than himself. This is both just
and reasonable, for when God is such an unjust God that damns grown
ups and children, then it is only right that someone better then him
who does not damn others rules the Heaven in true justice, so that no
damnation anymore may happen.
So
you simply took me out of context, and your intention when doing so
was despicable, for all you were after was to make me look bad, and
then you hoped to avoid answering my questions and arguments by this
tactic, which is truly pathetic.
And
also, God is not so good as you know is my position and as you should
see if you only understood and was honest about that damning and
tormenting others is evil, and you know I don't think highly of God,
so no wonder I don't see much difference from God and man when truly
just men are better then God and more just, and this argument is true
even if God is all powerful and has all the power in himself which
man has not, because it is not our fault that man was created by God
and that God happened to be unjust. Again, it is not our fault God is
unjust, and therefore, it is neither our fault if we in actuality are
powerless against God, but if God is just, as he also claims to be,
then God is a slave of justice, and hence, God cannot resist justice,
and therefore, God cannot truly resist me or those who think like me,
since I speak justice and for justice sake in doing our neighbours
and loved ones and even enemies well but which God does not, since he
not only damns them and does them unwell but also torments them or
allows them to be tormented and hence he has become unjust and lost
his place. Deposing of unworthy rulers also happens on the earth and
this is justice, because it is right, noble and good to protect
others from evil people or even evil Gods and their evil influence.
This
is what I wrote about this in another place:
“[God]
Don't be an unjust fool and eternally damn them, because that is
evil. You can give them a prison sentence, but do not eternally damn
anyone. In
truth, if you refuse to take your work seriously and do not forgive
people their offenses, then let me do it and take your place, because
I promise you to work for all eternity for bad people's conversion,
even if they are evil, because I have hope that even they will and
can become good again.”
(Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html)
3.
“There is no need to waste an hour of your life there, nor do I
need to waste my time, because Jerome's OWN WRITTEN WORDS condemn
him!”
Answer:
You don't want to debate with me, be honest. Otherwise you would take
time, even if an article took months to create. Am I right on this?
Besides,
you also ignore my questions and arguments all the time. This is also
an indication that you do not want to be honest with me or debate
this issue honestly and truthfully.
It is
easy to debate with others when it goes well for oneself, but in this
case, you have not much to say in defence, which is also why you
avoid all my arguments and questions and to your own shame, you did
it again for my fourth article! That means you have ignored and not
answered the same arguments for four articles straight even though I
have asked you repeatedly in all of them to be honest and answer, you
coward!
Also,
try to show how my own words condemns me without taking me out of
context, or without just forcing the argument that I call God evil
and such or that Christ was a failure and therefore I am deceived
etc. (for that is more of a religious issue, but I tried to make this
about justice with you instead, but this you ignored), because
it is obvious I do this (attack God) from my writings but for a
reason, and that is because God is unjust and evil when he
damns humans, souls and angels that he could so easily have
forgiven, for if he did forgive them and if he did work on their
conversion instead, he and all of us would have received their love
instead, and not their hatred, which is a better solution then
damning them and not wanting to forgive them.
Besides,
Criminals on earth are not denied conversion and betterment or
forgiveness or even to be released from prison, hence the same rule
must be true and be implemented in the next life. Anything else is
clearly unjust.
4.
“JEROME DECLARES MAN AS GOD”
Answer: There
is nothing wrong with this statement if taken in context (which you
did not), since “as God” only implies similarities and God also
says we are created in his likeness and that we can (and should)
become like unto him – so he himself gives similarities. To me it
just looks like you wanted to find something to attack me with so
that I could look bad, and so you could avoid the discussion with me
and then go into hiding, hoping I won't respond, or at least if you
do, you just want to make yourself feel good so that you can justify
not responding to me, for if I can't get that right, why waste your
time, right? But we shall see if you continue debating with me and if
you finally answers my questions and arguments.
5.
“God is omniscient, omnipotent, omni-benevolent, and eternal.
People are NONE of these things.”
Answer: Neither is God any of these (except perhaps eternal and knowing the future), for a God that
damns others and torments them is not perfect, is not kind, is not
all powerful (such as in justice) but rather the definition of
imperfection. Hence God is not perfect, and your argument fails.
<b>Just because God claims to be perfect, does not make it
true. How can you be so blind and NOT see that this is the truth
here? AND YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ARGUMENT THAT SOMETHING IS
<i>NOT</i> TRUE JUST
BECAUSE SOMEONE CLAIMS IT IS, RIGHT?</b> And then when
I also prove God is imperfect, since he damns people such as Children
and unconfessed nuns for nothing, you ignore it.
To
you, God can be a dictator and murder souls for all eternity in a
Concentration Camp even though he easily could forgive them but he
does not, and yet he would remain and be perfect to you. You are
brainwashes by God and the Bible and the Saints' teachings on God.
End of story.
6.
“Being made in God's likeness means we have a rational spiritual
soul.”
Answer:
Yes. But being made in God's likeness means, rather, I would say,
that we can share in and take parts of God's glory and power. Hence,
God could actually make someone else more powerful then himself by
giving his power to him, and even if God could take it back, if God
is just and this person deserves this power more, this means God will
not do it, since God is undeserving of it. And God does not
deserve to rule in his heaven or hell, since he desires to do others
evil and damns them, hence, someone more worthy than him will take
God's place and be the ruler in the next life, since this soul or
person, whomever it is, desires everyone good, even the damned, but
which God did not. Therefore, God has fallen from his place, and
someone else more worthy than him will receive it. That is my
belief, because it is just and follows justice. And the world also
depose unworthy rulers, and as in heaven, so also on earth.
7.
“Jerome's "God" cannot be the Christian God BY
DEFINITION. He cannot be the Supreme Being.”
Answer:
Being God or not, he is still unworthy of this title and honor and
glory and power, because God does others evil, and desires them to be
damned always in a sea of fire and tortures too horrible to even
imagine, yet in your blindness, you think this is “good” and
“just”, and that God is “perfect” even though he positively
wills damnation and that our beloved humans, angels and souls shall
remain damned for all eternity, since he never forgives them!
8.
“If he can't get that right how can he get anything else right?”
Answer:
We shall see if you use this as an excuse to ignore me completely and
then end the discussion. Otherwise my answer is that I have not
gotten anything wrong, it is just you who take me out of context and
ignore my meanings, and you also ignore my questions and arguments,
because you have nothing good to say in response to them.
9.
“JEROME'S "GOD" IS EVIL (!) … "God" is
evil--is it any wonder that Jerome is clueless? His God is not the
Christian God.”
Answer:
I would answer this argument as Pope Francis answered it: “And I
believe in God. Not in a catholic God; a catholic God does not exist;
God exists.”
I
believe Pope Francis point was that God exists, but not a God that
desires others evil or that is not truly universal. That is why, in
my belief, Francis made this distinction, and I agree with him.
However, I would say I believe in the “Catholic God” (wherever he
or she is), because I believe in Universality, but I do not exactly
believe in “God” or the “Catholic God” strictly, because when
God has such problems to be truly Universal, then he cannot be a
“Catholic God”, because “Catholic” means “Universal”. And
that is why the only God to me is this God who is truly Universal.
And
this is what I wrote to prove the point (and this is the quote he
used to show I say God is evil, as if it did not show this!). The
quote is extremely good and powerful to bring out this point:
“No,
God is not infinitely perfect. How can someone be perfect when he
eternally murders souls that all could love, if only given the
chance?
There exists nothing more imperfect in all eternity than what God has
done, and that is a fact. When
all the damned converts and starts to love, you will see this truth
for yourself, you blind person.”
The
fact that the last bolded sentence did not sink into you is really
sad, but when they (the damned) do convert and do love even you in
the next life and we all are best friends, then you will finally see
the truth that damnation was evil and unjust.
10.
“JEROME'S "CHRIST" IS NOT THE SAVIOR; HE DIED FOR
NOTHING...”
Answer:
True, Christ died for nothing, since he died in selfishness and only
for his own. You even quoted me, and I will re-quote the same quote,
since it is good:
“God
only died for the Saved according to his laws anyway, so yes, in a
sense he died for nothing because Christ refused to be truly
universal and he lets billions be lost, because they are “unworthy”
his graces. Do you know what this might mean? That the true Christ
perhaps is yet to come, if this other Christ was no the true Christ.
Because why would a true God be selfish, and only apply salvation to
those who are worthy according to himself? Salvation must be applied
according to justice, and not on any personal motives. And according
to justice, everyone is worthy of salvation, because everyone can
love and become good and give love [but this is denied by God to ever
happen in his evil Hell].” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
11.
“So there you have it folks! Jerome's "God" is evil.
Jerome's God is equal to His creation--so why can't we create things
out of nothing--and how did we get here if God is not all-powerful
and HE couldn't create us? … If we are the same as God people
should be all-powerful. But we are not. That means God is no more
powerful than people--but then how did God create the universe and
Hell/Heaven??”
Answer:
Yes, a God that damns others is evil. No, I did not say exactly that
God is equal to creation, because I just can't know this. But I do
believe a true God do exists if our Catholic God is not this God, and
I have no problem to say that this Catholic God is imperfect in every
way and inferior to just men due to the fact of his incredible
injustice in damning people to eternal torments. That is a fact. That
is why this Catholic/Christian God is just as undeserving as Hitler
was, and why they deserves the same punishment.
We
also don't know yet what we can do when we are dead, or what power
the true God will give to us, so perhaps we will be able to create
even from our own power after death. Who knows? Do you know
everything about the afterlife? I think not. Therefore, we cannot
know everything yet except that God is the originator and source and
the creator of us (at least, that is what he claims), and that is
all.
12.
“The fact is Jerome thinks HE is just and God is not--HE knows
better than God. And if his "god" is evil and imperfect
then how can Jerome believe there is no Hell? If God is evil, there
would be Hell (according to Jerome), yet Jerome claims there is no
Hell. (If your head is spinning it should be!) … The fact is, the
Christian God Jerome rejects is all good, all knowing and all
powerful--the Creator of all. We are imperfect and finite we can
never understand His ways because we are NOT His equal, so things
will work out for the good, even if we don't understand how because
of our limited intellects.”
Answer:
I have already showed you many times why God is unjust on the
question of Hell, for I gave you several questions in order to prove
why God is unjust with his hell, since an honest answer would show
that what God does, is not needed or the better solution to do
towards damned people, and that is why I asked you several times what
you would do if you were God, or if you had power over the damned
with God's permission to do as you want. Would you then forgive them
or would you torment them and damn them? I said it is obvious you
would not damn anyone, but try to convert them to become better men
and women again, and hence forgive them. That is only reasonable,
and this argument also proves something, that Hell is unjust and that
it does not need to be in this way. If you would only answer, you
would see the truth for yourself, but so far, you have avoided this
argument for fear of offending a God which you must not fear
offending, since he is imperfect and commands evil and hence needs to
be corrected and rebuked.
I
also gave you another argument which also proves the point that God
is unjust with his Hell and I am not unjust in
condemning him. It was the following:
“ALSO,
IF GOD CHANGED POSITION ON HELL, SO WOULD YOU. SO THE ARGUMENT THAT
HELL IS “JUST” FALLS FLAT WITH THIS ARGUMENT ALONE.
God could not change position on murder or rape, for example, for
that would be evil and even you would condemn God if he did that, but
with Hell, it is different, for Hell is not a good or just doctrine
in itself, but is actually evil; and that is why if God changed
position on Hell and this was proven to you, you too would
immediately change position – you blind, unjust and evil person!”
Hence,
my arguments stands, and they have never been refuted by you.
You
also ask how God is evil yet there is no Hell? Do you want to know
why? That is because, if you want to believe this, God removed Hell
and Limbo because I demanded and commanded him to do so, since I
battled with God every day and still do for the salvation of all the
angels, humans and souls, and all other living and non-living
creatures, such as animals and even stones and trees! Hence, God told
me finally that there will be no Hell, and that I was right in my
thinking, and he also said that this was just as test in order to see
who among his children wanted to be truly just, and who would not
want this.
But
since I cannot be certain of that this is the case, and since I talk
with many spirits, I have also heard this: that it was not a test,
and that God was wrong in creating Hell, but that he did not change
his position, apparently, until I condemned him and debated with him
so much so that he was forced to change position, because when my
justice and my thoughts was so good and noble, how could God resist
me? He could not, hence he changed and humbled himself.
Now
I have answered your question.
P.S.
Someone could ask why I condemn God as evil if he has changed position. First, I am not sure he has, I am just hoping he has done so, but this cannot be proven or known definitively until we have died, and therefore I continue to call God evil, because God, the Bible and the Saints teaches Hell, and even the Church of Vatican II teaches there is a Hell to some extent, so until the Church actually declares God has changed position, I cannot be sure of this, and that is the reason for why I call him evil, since his doctrine on Hell is still evil.
Second, I must also live in the fear of myself being damned after death, and not only me, but also all other persons that would be damned including all the fallen angels and also those in Limbo who are secluded, and this is evil. Therefore, I call God evil, because I cannot know for sure he has actually changed position, but I do believe and hope he has done so, because this is what I have been told.
Third, I also call God evil because of his former evil actions of damning people even if he has changed for the same reason as one could call Hitler evil for what he did and that he did evil even if he had converted and ended in goodness in the end. But again, I cannot know for sure God has changed position, even if I am quite certain and do believe he has done so, since this is the only just position, and since I believe God is just and must adhere to justice, this means he must have changed position. That is my faith, which I believe in, since it is just.
Forth, I also call Hell and God evil because blind people such as yourself defend Hell and God and call it “good” and “just”, but this is not true, hence I must condemn it as evil, for if I did not, I would approve of evil and call evil good, but this I won't do, hence that I condemn both Hell and God as evil, for that is what it truly is.
P.S.
Someone could ask why I condemn God as evil if he has changed position. First, I am not sure he has, I am just hoping he has done so, but this cannot be proven or known definitively until we have died, and therefore I continue to call God evil, because God, the Bible and the Saints teaches Hell, and even the Church of Vatican II teaches there is a Hell to some extent, so until the Church actually declares God has changed position, I cannot be sure of this, and that is the reason for why I call him evil, since his doctrine on Hell is still evil.
Second, I must also live in the fear of myself being damned after death, and not only me, but also all other persons that would be damned including all the fallen angels and also those in Limbo who are secluded, and this is evil. Therefore, I call God evil, because I cannot know for sure he has actually changed position, but I do believe and hope he has done so, because this is what I have been told.
Third, I also call God evil because of his former evil actions of damning people even if he has changed for the same reason as one could call Hitler evil for what he did and that he did evil even if he had converted and ended in goodness in the end. But again, I cannot know for sure God has changed position, even if I am quite certain and do believe he has done so, since this is the only just position, and since I believe God is just and must adhere to justice, this means he must have changed position. That is my faith, which I believe in, since it is just.
Forth, I also call Hell and God evil because blind people such as yourself defend Hell and God and call it “good” and “just”, but this is not true, hence I must condemn it as evil, for if I did not, I would approve of evil and call evil good, but this I won't do, hence that I condemn both Hell and God as evil, for that is what it truly is.
Read my sixth response to Introibo here:
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