Sadly, Introibo but you have forced me to post the entirety of an article in your
comment section, and also to re-post here much of what I already
posted in my previous article, for either you did not read my article
and see my answers, or answered only my comment but not the article
even thought I clearly linked to it, for you repeated many arguments
and questions I already answered.
I
will try to post everything in your comment section, and I also
advice your readers to look into my article, which you apparently did
not read, and which contained many questions and arguments you never
answered (some of them I will repeat again so that you cannot ignore
them):
Note: Introibo did not post my comments/article in his blog, and also, he did not answer my simple questions once again in addition to taking me out of context and then attacking me, because he obviously needed something to use in order to make me look bad, but instead he only makes himself the more stupid and dishonest for doing that.
You (Introibo) wrote: “Jerome, “Your argumentation is so pathetic, it stands
refuted and you're incapable of seeing it. I'll let my readers judge;
you are a Universalist anti-christian apostate.”
Response:
What is pathetic with wanting to save the damned, by blind friend,
since they are our brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers and
children? To actually say that it is pathetic to want to save the
damned is equivalent to saying that it is pathetic to save the Jews
from Hitlers evil Concentration Camps! And guess what, there are also
Jews in God's evil Hell of Concentration Camps that are damned
because God refuses to forgive them, and hence I will always fight
for theirs and everyone else's salvation and forgiveness and ultimate
release.
And
who is really pathetic, my blind friend, who evilly says that
children must be damned and that they cannot be forgiven or released
or even responsibly parented in the next life? You are disgusting!
And
also, who is pathetic my friend when you cannot answer simple
questions? Your refusal to answer my questions once again in your
comment section and my article make you look like a fool, and it
exposes you as the fraud you are, as I will show to your readers once
again.
I
specifically asked you this question below which pertains to justice
in order to show you something, i.e., that the “justice” of Hell
is not just, for if you were God or had the
power, you would not damn anyone!
Jerome
asked Introibo: “For example, you have not address any single
argument on point of true justice in your comments or articles
except the false argument “that God says so”, or “that it must
be so”, or “we must believe so” but this is not justice, as I
explained in the article because justice is not based upon what
one man or woman or God says, but rather, it is based on what
true justice really is, and God is not just with his Hell, as even
you know, SINCE YOU WOULD NOT DAMN ANYONE IF YOU YOURSELF RECEIVED
THE POWER BY GOD OVER THE DAMNED TO DO WHAT YOU WANT, FOR THEN YOU
WOULD FORGIVE THEM... ANSWER
THIS QUESTION NOW YOU COWARD SINCE IT PERTAINS TO JUSTICE AND PROVES
THE POINT; THAT JUSTICE IS NOT BASED
ON WHAT ONE MAN OR WOMAN SAYS, BUT AGAIN, ON WHAT TRUE JUSTICE REALLY
IS, and then explain from your brainwashed Christian perspective
“why this would be just” (even though it is not) to damn someone
based on justice not seen from a brainwashed Christian's God's
perspective WHEN THE SAME CRIME IF IT HAPPENED ON EARTH YOU WOULD
HAVE CONDEMNED IN A HUMAN PERSON YOU HYPOCRITE BLIND PERSON.”
(Cf. comment section of this article, and in my article: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html)
Why
don't you answer this question you avoider of questions and arguments
you fake lawyer and deceiver and unjust person? If you were God,
you would not damn anyone, but you would work for all eternity that
evil people may become good. I know I am right on this, hence you
do not even agree with your own God on this, but you only agree with
him silently because you think you have to, and because you fear
being damned -- you deceived, unjust and blind person -- who is
afraid to stand up to true justice because you fear a God who must
not be feared on this point.
Why
not be a true and real lawyer for once and make the choice to stand
up to true justice and morality for once even if this so called God
condemns and damns you for it? I would certainly have made this
choice, since I know it is the right choice to do, and in fact, I
have already made this choice long ago!
You
wrote: “No one needs to believe in visions which are private
revelations. Even visions by great saints need not be believed.
Apparitions like Our Lady of Fatima need not be believed. … St
Alphonsus often uses certain situations to make a point. The point
would be that God is an infinitely Perfect Being and any offense done
with full consent and knowledge that it is gravely wrong is deserving
of Hell regardless of age.”
Response:
Your argument is irrelevant, since the vision of Alphonsus by all
likelihood is true, and this means even children are damned, but in
your blindness, you did not see any problem with this, but only went
on to say that this was “just” and “deserving of Hell
regardless of age” if God desires it, you evil man and condemner of
people and children.
To
not condemn an injustice is to approve of it! and since you don't
condemn the damnation and torment of children, this means you approve
of it and think it is “good” and “just”, as you also already
admitted (that it was just if God wills it). Hence, you are no
different than the evil Germans who also believed damning or
murdering Children was a good thing, because you have the same
mindset as they, i.e., that they deserve it and that this punishment
is “just”, and also because our leader (i.e., Hitler, or in your
case, God) wills it.
Also,
this below is specifically what I wrote you you about “damned”
children which would be a better solution than damning them, but in
your grave cowardism, you did not even dare to include my statement
or argument or respond to it, or even say: “Yes, your position
would be better, but I do not dare to agree with it, because I am
forced to agree with my God for fear of displeasing him...”
Introibo, you should be ashamed of yourself, you fraud!
This
is what I wrote, in contrast to the evil which you wrote about this
child “deserving” damnation:
Jerome
wrote: “Yes, according to your stupid belief, this child does
not deserve forgiveness or responsible parenting in the next
life so that he can become good again and converted, but he
“deserves” damnation and must always live in a Hell to be
tormented forever without ever feeling love, hope, forgiveness or
happiness ever again! Do you see now why I called your position
retarded, and why you are stupid? That is because you have no sense
of justice, and because you are only slaving after a God – and that
is all. Instead of wishing and declaring that responsible parenting
would be a just judgment for this child in the next life so that we
can be friends and love each other instead of hating and tormenting
each other, you flat out evilly and heretically declare that he must
be damned and burn and be tormented for all eternity in a Hell that
is unmerciful and evil.” (Cf. comment section of this article, and
this article: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html)
How
someone can not see that responsible parenting and rehabilitation is
the only just alternative instead of damning someone, and that
everything else contrary to this is evil such as damnation, is mind
boggling to say the least. Introibo, however much you claim damnation
is “just”, this will never be the case and that was my point with
my articles: to make you see this truth, but so far you have been
unwilling to admit this, due to fear of offending an evil God.
You
claim Hell is “just”, but you only argue this from God's
perspective, and I asked you not to do this, but rather, I asked you
to explain from a worldly perspective (as the lawyer you are) to
explain how damnation is just in respect to just laws and the secular
laws, and also tell me what you would do if you were God, if you
would damn someone or rather work on their betterment. My guess
is you would not damn someone (for otherwise you would be
indescribably evil, being able to do good to them but chooses evil),
hence, this argument and question proves my point, that you are only
slaving after God an his unjust Hell because you fear
offending him; and it also proves that Hell is unjust, for if Hell
was not unjust, you would have made the same judgment as
God did, i.e., that you would send souls and humans and even children
to Hell to burn and be tormented forever, but that is not
the case, because you would have wanted to work on their forgiveness
and betterment instead. I am sure of this, please, let me hear
you say you would do this now, instead of making me repeat my self
over and over again on the same question and argument that so far,
you have been unwilling to answer.
You
wrote: “We only know for certain that Judas Iscariot is in
Hell. That is Church teaching as I explain in my post above.”
Response:
That is not shared by many in Vatican II, but many even believe he
has been forgiven already and released. That is my position also,
since it is the only good, true, noble and honorable position
according to true justice and love, since no crime deserves an
eternal punishment when people can be converted and become good
again.
Do
you know why I share Vatican II's position? That is, again, because
damnation is evil and because forgiveness and love is greater than
damnation, unforgiveness and unlove in not wanting to forgive someone
who did wrong. Everyone can convert, even Judas, so to claim he must
always suffer is evil and unmerciful.
To
always unforgive someone that can be converted if he only where
given the chance is evil, and hence nothing justifies an eternal
Hell because in such a place, love and hope is murdered in them –
and that is clearly wrong.
And
what is your point? Do you believe only Judas is in Hell? I am sure
you do not hold this position, but you could always clarify. If the
saints and bible is correct, most seems to be damned, and that would
amount to billions and billions of humans, angels and souls, and many
of those “damned” would also be children. Hell is evil. End of
discussion.
You
wrote: “As a Lawyer I know that THE PUNISHMENT MUST FIT THE
CRIME--and the crime for a mortal sin is Hell. Why? Hell is eternal
because sin, though finite by itself, is primarily committed against
an infinite God; the punishment must therefore also be infinite.”
Response:
Since you did not seem to have read my article, or what is worse,
perhaps read it and yet did not include my answer and answer my
answer, I will be forced to quote from my own article that I wrote
for you.
This
is what I already wrote to you about that “the punishment must fit
the crime”:
Jerome
responds: No crime deserves eternal torments. That is why I so
much mentioned you being a lawyer and claiming to follow justice,
because according to the laws you have learned, you certainly know
eternal torment does not befit a crime that was only temporal.
Even in the world, repentant criminals are released, and if people
could live forever, they certainly would not have been punished
forever, if they converted and became new men.
“Besides,
the world does not torment criminals, but tries to cure them. But in
Hell, there are torments so severe so that they can only hate in
return, and this is clearly unjust, since it denies love and
repentance and love.
“And
to the argument that people receive life sentences. That is true, but
life is only temporal. Had life been eternal on earth, the judgment
would have been different. I mean, it is unreasonable to let someone
live forever in a prison if the person he killed still lives in
another life (if life is eternal and cannot die) and especially if
this man also has converted and become good. Therefore, since the
laws on earth and eternity are different, different laws applies, but
still, the world understands this: tormenting others is evil, which
is why the world itself does not do this to her criminals, but again,
they seek to cure them, or at least, desire them to die a good deaths
so they they may have happiness hereafter.
“And
this is even more true in the afterlife, because in the afterlife no
death exists, and even people who where murdered on earth is alive in
heaven, so why then always punish someone when they have already been
punished, and especially if they have became new men that are now
good? Hence let us forgive each other instead and love each other and
be happy with each others goodness and conversion, and let us be like
a big family again, like we are meant to be and love each other. For
this is the only truth with Heaven, to forgive each other and love
each other and to live in happiness and eternal love with each other
for ever!” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html)
“Hell is eternal because sin, though finite by itself, is primarily committed against an infinite God; the punishment must therefore also be infinite.”
Answer: (A similar argument is also responded by me in the next section below in a different way.) The argument that Hell must be eternal because God is infinite and the transgression is infinite and must therefore last forever is false, because this would only mean God don't forgive people for all eternity, and that is clearly wrong.
Also, just because someone happens to be infinite, that does not excuse making an eternal torment that does not even befit the crime. Eternal suffering is God's own made up law, and all the secular laws or even the current Church, the Vatican II, does not agree with this punishment. Why do you think both have different positions and the Church today even teach Universal Salvation and forgiveness and mercy above condemnation and unforgiveness? Besides, are we going to let God be a dictator and do as he want, even making up his own laws that goes contrary to true justice just because of an argument that he is infinite? Of course not.
The argument that God is infinite and therefore the punishment must be infinite is prideful, and is similar to the crime Hitler did who also, in his great pride, thought he was something special that therefore was worthy to punish those whom he deemed fit as he pleases, but this is not justice, but injustice, and when God created us, it came with a responsibility, and God is not allowed to forgo this responsibility of responsibly parenting us and treating us kindly and justly just because he is infinite (or eternal).
It is the same with us, we have no right to treat our children badly just because we created them or gave birth to them. If we did treat them badly the just society would come and take our children away from us, and this would be just. And this same logic applies to God. Just because God created us or is eternal, does not mean he can do with us as he wishes, because justice must always be followed even if you are God, and being God does not negate this fact. When God created us, it came with a responsibility of treating us justly according to just laws, and of not being a dictator, but God has failed in this through pride, because God thought he could do to us as he pleases even though there is no real justice behind such behavior. God in fact acted no differently than Hitler.
So God is infinite, and this nun was ashamed to confess her sin and therefore, she must be damned for all eternity, because God is infinite and lasts for eternity because he can never forgive someone? Can't you see how stupid this argument really is and that it is not really an argument at all? God has no right to be a dictator just because he chooses to be so, and neither do we, which is why the world would hate and condemn us if we made up our own unjust laws and become like unto Hitler.
You
wrote: “If you destroyed someone's property valued at $100, he
has a strict right in justice to be compensated the full $100. God's
's friendship is infinite in value and the mortal sinner broke that
friendship against a Perfect Being. Therefore, the punishment must be
equally infinite. Hell is neither more nor less than absolute,
perfect justice; it couldn’t be otherwise. "He is the Rock,
His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who
does no wrong, upright and just is He." (Deuteronomy 32:4).”
Response:
I also already addressed this argument. Did you not read my article?
If you did read my article, it is dishonest not to include my
responses and answers and for you to not answer them, for otherwise
you are avoiding my arguments (as you have already made anyway, since
I have to repeat the same questions to you over and over).
But
since I like to excuse people, I believe you responded to my comments
first before you actually read the article. Hence that none of my
responses or other arguments in the longer article never was included
by you.
This
was my response:
Jerome
responds: In order to prove that you are lying, try to claim this
“justice” in a court of law, and we will see if the judge lets
you keep your work or not! If you are honest, you will see that the
judge would revoke your license if you tried to implement these laws
whom you claim are “just” in a court of law, because they
certainly are not just, but to the contrary, if you follow true laws,
such as not murdering or stealing, you would be praised and honored.
“No
one in the world is given eternal torments or punishment for having
stolen 100 dollars. They are merely given a fine, or a small prison
sentence, but God could actually damn someone for eternity if they
died in this sin, tragically and evilly, and this is wrong, and you
know it, and judges know it; you dishonest person who are merely
slaving after a God whatever he teaches.
“Both
you and I know and everyone know that it would be better to let
someone, in the afterlife, pay back in some way what he stole rather
then eternally damning him. But such simple logic is not understood
by you, because you are a slave of a God and not a man of justice
even though you are a lawyer, and hence this is also the reason for
that you are blind, for God is blinding you, when you should rather
look to true justice, which the world and Vatican II represents
better than God.
“Besides,
why don't God learn some humility? He felt offended? Well, don't we
all get offended? God has no reason to damn someone forever just
because he felt offended. Instead, man up God and tell this man or
woman they did wrong, and then help them become better men and women
again. Don't be an unjust fool and eternally damn them, because that
is evil. You can give them a prison sentence, but do not eternally
damn anyone. In truth, if you refuse to take your work seriously and
do not forgive people their offenses, then let me do it and take your
place, because I promise you to work for all eternity for bad
people's conversion, even if they are evil, because I have hope that
even they will and can become good again.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html)
“God's
's friendship is infinite in value and the mortal sinner broke that
friendship against a Perfect Being.”
Answer:
To those who don't like God because he do them evil or because he do others evil, his friendship
is not infinite, and neither is he perfect, because someone who does
evil towards another human or soul cannot possibly be perfect, and
therefore, God is not perfect, and his friendship is not infinite,
unless he converts from his evil ways and forgive those who's
friendship he has rejected. That is right, he rejects the
damneds friendship who could be converted, if he only desired this, but he does not and he never forgives them,
yet you claim his friendship is infinite? No, that is not correct,
and my own definition of friendship is in fact more infinite than
even God's, because my friendship extends to anyone, and most of all
the damned and those in need, since they need help to become good
people again. Therefore, they are my true friends, and I am theirs.
You
wrote: “You see Hell as unjust because your conception of God
and Justice/Mercy are both WRONG.”
Response:
I also responded to this already. This is what I wrote:
Jerome
responded: “No it is not wrong, AND THAT IS WHY THE WORLD
AND VATICAN II AND OUR CONSCIENCE AND HEART, AND ALSO TRUE JUSTICE,
AGREES WITH ME AND NOT WITH YOU! Only brainwashed
Christians like yourself, says it is wrong [that my position is
wrong], because according to you, a 5 year old child being angry with
God and calling him bad names must burn in Hell and be damned if he
died like this, and a nun who lived a good life but was ashamed to
confess a sin “deserves” eternal damnation and torments, you evil
person! This is not how the world or Vatican II judges it, which is
why they don't even demand confession anymore under pain of sin. This
is wisdom. Instead, they believe in mercy, and that even if someone
failed in everything, that there is hope for him or her. This is also
my faith and my belief, because it is just. But I go even further
then they. But many in the Vatican II also believe as I do, i.e.,
that all are saved and that Hell is either empty, or does not exist.”
(Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html)
I
repeat: AND THAT IS WHY THE WORLD AND VATICAN II AND OUR CONSCIENCE
AND HEART, AND ALSO TRUE JUSTICE, AGREES WITH ME AND NOT WITH YOU!
You
wrote: “You commit the fallacy of argumentum ad
misericordiam--the appeal to pity. is a fallacy in which someone
tries to win support for an argument or idea by exploiting his or her
opponent's feelings of pity--an emotional appeal. E.g., How could a
five year old be in Hell??”
Response:
I am not trying to win support by exploiting pity or feelings, as you
evilly implied, but I am giving you good arguments in order to make
you see how stupid you are, and in order to bring forward true
justice, i.e., that it is unjust to damn children or even grown
ups in a sea of fire where they will be tormented forever and never
given hope or forgiveness for all eternity. Hence, my position and
thoughts and words are only reasonable, but blind as you are, you
only see evil even though I do good.
Had
I argued the same about Hitler and his Concentration Camps (which I
in fact do) then you would have called me right, and you would have
thought I had noble thoughts that wishes those poor souls good, and
you would never have said I apply to pity and emotion in order to win
some argument, because you know Hitler was evil and did evil and that
his Concentration Camps were evil, and hence, a person who defends
the people who where sent there can never be accused of doing wrong
provided he have good intentions, yet you try to accuse me of some
fallacy for defending the damned from an even worse Hitler (God) and
Concentration Camps (Hell) and you see a problem with me doing so,
because you are blind, and your mindset is evil, because you defend
evil and condemn goodness, such as you do with me all the time, and
which you did here too, calling my intentions fallacy and exploiting
emotions because I wish children, grown ups, angels and souls good
and that they may not suffer in a Hell.
Again,
and I will repeat myself: Your arguments are really evil, and your
mindset and justice is incredibly dark, because you see evil where no
evil exists, but that which is truly evil, such as damning
children that could be converted in an eternity but is denied this by
an evil God, you call “just” and “good”, and if someone
condemns the damning of children just as someone would condemn
Hitler or his Concentration Camps as I do, then you accuse them of
emotionality and fallacy, you evil and blind person!
You
wrote: “Well the Church teaches that those who are baptized and
die before the age of reason (age 7) go to Heaven. The unbaptized who
die before reason go to Limbo--a place where there is no pain and
natural happiness.”
Response:
This is more injustice from God's part. Unbaptized children (such as
infants) have done nothing wrong, yet they are discriminated against
and are to be denied to enter or see heaven for all eternity, and
they will never have their relatives or parents presence if they are
either damned or saved in that case, and neither would they see the
Virgin Mary or God, because according to God, just because someone is
born black (or in this case, unbaptized) he is to be discriminated
against. But that position is evil, and also unjust.
Are
you a person who believes that God can do anything? I am sure you
are. But if this is the case, then God could change his laws too so
that no discrimination is committed against unbaptized innocent
infants that has done nothing wrong and he could let them enter into
Heaven, as he also must do, and I have already told him this, and I
have heard in response that they already are in Heaven.
As
a lawyer, I know you must agree with these statements, both that God
can change his laws, and also that God is discriminating against the
unbaptized infants (and also grown ups), for these children have not
even done anything wrong, yet are punished and excluded from Heaven
and their parents presence and even the Virgin Mary and all other
saints and humans and souls in Heaven, which is an evil thing to do
against them, obviously, and it is unjust and no different than if a
person discriminated against a black person just because he was born
black as you know, and you of course would prosecute someone who did
this, but here when it comes to God, you do nothing, and even see
justice in it! That again is because you are a follower of God, and
not a follower of true justice – you fake lawyer!
It
is false to follow a God or a person and their doctrines and
teachings if this God or if this person denies justice and is unjust,
for then they must be corrected and condemned. And that is what I do.
What you do is obvious, you respecter of persons.
You
wrote: “Now, St. Alphonsus' vision maybe no more than bring
home the point that **IF** there were a five year old capable of
mortal sin, he would go to Hell. The offense of mortal sin is
INFINITE REGARDLESS OF AGE AS LONG AS THE PERSON (a) has use of
reason, (b) commits a sin on a GRAVE MATTER, with (c) FULL
KNOWLEDGE IT IS WRONG and (d) FULL CONSENT OF THE WILL.”
Response:
Since when is simply being ashamed to confess a
sin a “GRAVE MATTER” -- you liar and avoider of
questions and arguments and dark person -- so that a person must
“deserve” eternal damnation for such a trifle and nothing?
I
already pointed this out several times in my articles to you, yet I
have never received a proper response form you, and as you even know,
this is no sin at all according to the true and just
secular law, (and this is also the law which God's Church, Vatican
II, now has started to embrace too), but God has or had only decided
to see it as a sin (such as to be unwilling to confess one's sin
through shame) – and that was all. But God can change, and whether
or not you believe he will, is another question, but if you don't
believe in this, then tragically you must believe in an unjust God
that also is obstinate with being unjust. So which position is
better? Mine of course, i.e., that God was wrong, admitted to being
wrong, and changed!
Also,
none of the points you brought up justifies eternally damning
someone. So what if someone knew it was wrong to steal and then stole
with full consent. That does not mean this person deserves eternal
damnation if he died in such a state, you fool! How many thieves
convert and become good people again? Yet in Hell, this conversion
would be denied this thief for all eternity, and he would never be
forgiven. And that was my point, that it is unjust!
And
I don't care what God says or do, but all you do is bringing up the
evil and already refuted argument that “God says” or “teaches
this”, but that is not justice, and has nothing to do with true
justice except his own selfish will, which is why I want you to
answer from a truly just perspective and not from God's perspective
how your position can be just, being a lawyer and all as you are this
should be no problem for you, but so far, you have been unwilling to
do so. And when I asked you about and made arguments to the point
that THE SECULAR LAWS DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU AND EVEN
CONDEMNS YOU AS UNMERCIFUL IN WANTING THE DAMNED TO BE AND REMAIN
DAMNED FOREVER (EVEN FOR TRIFLES), you avoid it and do not
not even try to reply, you dishonest person.
You
wrote: “Any person who does so [(a) has use of reason, (b) commits a sin on a GRAVE MATTER, with (c) FULL KNOWLEDGE IT IS WRONG and (d) FULL CONSENT OF THE WILL] CHOOSES HELL. A person will go into the next life as the person
they made themselves in this life. A human being's choice and fate
are sealed at death. If someone goes to Judgement as an enemy of God,
that individual rejects all that God is; love, goodness, etc. They
have embraced hate, evil, and all that is wrong. That's who they will
be for all eternity. No person is capable of being forgiven if they
do not repent of their sin. people who allow themselves to die in
mortal sin CANNOT REPENT OR BE SORRY.”
Response:
I already responded to this argument in my article also, but either
you did not read it, or was unwilling to show my response. I do not
agree with, as I stated, that people who died in God's displeasure is
unwilling to be sorry or cannot convert or love, because when they
lived on earth, they did love others, and also they can and will
convert in due time since this happens all the time on earth such as
in prison, hence your argument fails. The same goes for eternity,
PROVIDED CONVERSION AND FORGIVENESS IS ALWAYS OPEN TO THEM,
THEN THEY WILL AND CAN CONVERT IN DUE TIME, but as we know, in
Hell this possibility is always denied the damned and God never
forgives them, and many even believe that even if they repented in
Hell, they would still never be forgiven.
This is truly and indescribably evil, for to not forgive someone and
always wishing them evil, is wrong and heretical.
This
is what I wrote:
Response:
Even it that is true (which I don't believe) still, I would gladly
offer myself to work for their conversion for all eternity. IF God is
to selfish to help them, let me do it, and do not torment them, but
let us live in peace and let us do them good, so that they too will
see the light. That is my faith, my hope, my love for them, because I
desire them good, and provided someone desires them good, there is
hope.
Also, this is what
I wrote on this subject in other places, and this answers all of your
arguments above sufficiently:
“I have not
renounced the true faith but rather found it and embraced it, since
the true faith, even according to God himself, is the Golden Rule and
wishing (and wanting) good upon others, and forgiving others,
especially our enemies! That is why I want to forgive the damned and
work for their eternal salvation and happiness. I do not believe, as
I explained, that the damned cannot be good or forgiven. If they hate
God or can't forgive him, it is for a reason -- i.e., He rejected
them and sent them to Hell. If they can't love God or God love them,
then let someone else love them or give them love or be their God
(such as Mary, or whomever else has won this title), and all would be
well. It is absurd to think that a spirit or soul would refuse
happiness and love for all eternity just because we have been taught
this is the case. If this is not true with reasonable humans, why
would it be true with spirits? It makes no sense. But even if this is
true, my judgment would be to send them to earth again and live
another life and make them receive a body. No human wants to deny
love or live in torments, hence, it is easy to see why there are
solutions to the damned and that they can start to love again. That
is why I believe in love and forgiveness, and not in hate and God's
evil damnation.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-answer-as-to-why-i-condemn-hell-and-god.html)
I also wrote in
another place:
“If you read my
article you will have read many answers as to why there need to be no
Hell, and why they could have been saved and lived in happiness and
why God commits mortal sin by not having thought of something better
for the damned (if Hell now is real and not only a true scare
tactic). Would it be hard to let all the damned live on earth in a
human body and hence make them live in human happiness instead of
damnation? Of course not! Do humans want to live in torments and
unhappiness? Certainly not! SO THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS EVIL
AND CAN'T BE GOOD IS FALSE, BECAUSE THEY HAD GOODNESS IN THEM WHILE
THEY LIVED ON EARTH. My judgment – which would be shared by all who
have reason and love true justice above God's will if his will is
evil – (if I had God's place) would be that they could live on
earth instead (if they don't want to live in Heaven or we can't get
along), but I also do believe that Heaven even is for them and that
they can become good. …
“I did not
mention devils or demons because it does not matter. They exist, but
they have become, or will be good in my belief, since I have given
them hope and forgiveness, so they are my friends. Do you think I
want even the devil to be damned? No, I wish his salvation and
happiness, and I will fight for that all the damned will be saved.
And in my belief and in that of Origen, everyone will be saved in the
end. Yes everyone, and that includes the devil. What is hard to
believe with that the devil himself could make himself become like a
little child and start to love if he was only forgiven and was
granted happiness and love? How can demons love or have hope if they
are only tormented and live without hope? Can't you see that they are
forced to hate? If you don't believe me, try to torment yourself or
be tormented by someone in insufferable torments, and then tell me
what you think and if you are happy with this life or if you start to
fell an urge to hate! If someone tormented you and you had no hope
and you could not bear it, and you thought this would endure forever
and there was no hope and you received no consolation from anyone,
you will start to hate. Can one live in insufferable torments and not
start to hate when one cannot bear it? Even I would have started to
hate God and even Mary if I was always tormented in insufferable
torments and I had no hope of being released. Not that I want to
hate, but if one is not forgiven or granted love or happiness, it
only seems natural to start to hate those who deny you this
happiness. Hence Hell is evil, since it forces us to hate. Without
love and hope, there is only darkness and hate.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
Finally, this is
what I wrote specifically for you in the article I directed to you a
while back (you never responded):
Introibo Ad
Altare Dei asks: “In the strict sense, God does not condemn
anyone to Hell. The person chooses it.”
Jerome answers:
“I know this argument. I also held this before I got courage to
actually blame God instead. I answer: If people truly choose
damnation in front of God because their conscience forces it, this is
a kind of force, since the conscience follows God's own laws, and not
our own well being. I can assure you that I do not want to be damned.
If you say I do desire to be damned you would be lying. Therefore, if
I desire to be damned in the next life, that only happened because I
would be overwhelmed by feelings alien and foreign to me that makes
it unjust and impossible to resist. If I do not want to be damned as
a human with a human reasoning, I certainly do not want to be damned
in the next judgment when I look at everything differently. Since
feelings can be deceptive and even can be abused (such as by God), I
would guess the feelings in that case must be severe and excessive,
and almost impossible to reject. Is that just? Of course not. But
then again, nothing is just with a Hell and eternal torments, so the
fact that people choose a Hell in God's judgment does not surprise
me, since I can see already that there is foul play at hand –
because humans with a human reasoning will not and will never want to
be eternally tormented or live in a sea of fire for all eternity.
That is just common sense and reason. Hence, the argument that people
choose Hell by themselves fails and is unjust, since this own
condemnation of conscience to an eternal Hell is forced upon the soul
with feelings foreign to our current understanding. It is unjust to
judge the soul or body separate from each other, or from an
understanding different from common human reasoning that looks to its
own well being.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/07/response-as-to-why-the-doctrine-of-hell-do-not-follow-true-justice-or-logic.html)
Introibo
wrote [quoting me]: “What if this child was your own child?
Surely, you would not want him to be damned, and you would wish there
was hope. Think the same of others children then too, and do not
evilly declare that damnation is “good” or “just”, because
you would never have made such a judgment if you were God, hence,
this position is evil, as you know.”
Introibo
answers but without actually answering my question: “NO, as I
explained it is not unjust or evil. The punishment fits the crime.
All you have is another appeal to pity. What if you had an 18 year
old son who committed murder and was sentenced to be executed. You
wouldn't want to see your son executed (or go to jail for life), but
you would know THE PUNISHMENT MUST FIT THE CRIME. Murderers deserve
capital punishment, and they are always someone's son, father, etc.
That doesn't make capital punishment or life in prison unjust. So
what we want and what we deserve are two different things. Would I
WANT my son executed? No. Does he deserve it and receive such a
punishment? YES!! So would I if I murdered someone. So I have
directly answered your “5 year old” argument. Sending ANYONE TO
HELL FOR MORTAL SIN IS JUST REGARDLESS OF AGE.”
Response:
Again, you did not answer my question as to what you would do to the
damned if you were God or had the power over them, such as if God
gave you permission to do what you want with them... What would you
do? ANSWER!
Now
as to what you wrote, your arguments is also not to the point,
because simply executing them in this life or giving them a temporal
punishment in this life is not the same as sending them to eternal
torments or tormenting them forever in this life or in the next,
because that is not the judges or the justices intention when
executing someone, but rather, their intention is to execute justice,
and not eternal damnation. So the argument that it is just to
damn a 5 year old child only because it is just to execute someone,
is fallacious and evil, and not to the point and it is also unjust,
because the world and true justice would never torment evildoers
always and for all eternity, but they rather let them live in human
happiness in a prison, which is way more than what God does, and
when they are executed, they are merely given over to the next life,
not to eternal torments, but to a life in happiness, and that is why
religion and priests are given to them so that they may die a good
death and in a good conscience.
Besides,
you are not only arguing for the death penalty in this life, but you
actually say that someone who God rejects must be murdered in the
next life for all eternity, and not only getting a death sentence
in this life. Hence, in this world there is hope, for life continues
in the next. But if someone where damned, this hope is removed for
all eternity, and that is not the same as with merely executing
someone, and they have no real relation except both kills someone,
however, one just death was only temporal, the other unjust
death or murder, eternal.
That
is why the only just solution to this problem of unrepentant
evildoers is that in the next life, a temporal prison is given them
with the chance of parole and betterment. This is the only just
solution, because eternal damnation in torment is evil, and that is
also why both the world and the Church has distanced themselves from
treating prisoners badly, as you know, for prisoners also are human
beings capable of loving and converting and becoming good men again,
hence that they are treated with human dignity and with love for
their betterment.
Besides,
how it is just to damn a 5 year old child to eternal torments,
even according to you, if the child's only “crime” was
shame to confess, for example, masturbation? Answer: It is
not. And had you actually tried to implemented this law in a
court of law that such a “sin” deserves eternal torments if
someone died unrepentant, you would have been hated and despised by
the world and even by most Christians, and lost your job, because
everyone know that such an offense is not even in actuality sinful,
except for a hypocritical lawgiver that sees it as an offense.
Concerning
this I wrote the following in my previous article to you:
Jerome
responded: “Rules more often then not is the cause and giver of
sin, and not the fact that breaking a law is sinful in actuality when
the breaking of it entails no evil to anyone, except for the
dictatorial and hypocritical lawgiver, who seems to desire obedience
above all else and not mercy and love. For example, if God gave us
our will to live our life and have our free will, such as marrying a
Protestant or a so-called “heretic” or a relative even if the
Church condemned this, then no disobedience would have been enacted,
and no “sin” been committed by be so-called guilty person. (Mixed
marriages was not always approved by the Church, and marrying before
in time against the will of the Church was an excommunicable
“offense”, since such disobedience was deemed mortally sinful and
damnable, even if you loved the spouse.) The same can be said about
many other things, such as confessing our sins to a priest, which is
an obligation in the Catholic Church under pain of mortal sin. But if
someone were ashamed to confess their sin even though they felt
sorrow, they would be damned, according to God's law, even if they
were completely honest and good persons otherwise. Hence, it is God's
law that creates sin, and not the persons itself, since marrying
someone or being ashamed to confess, is not in itself a sin or evil
(marrying is even love, as we know, so love is damnation?), but God
has only decided to view it as “mortally sinful and damnable
disobedience”, even though these are trifling matters in reality
even according to the world's standards, since these acts are not
judged sinful or as criminal on the earth. Rules, however, that is
according to conscience, justice and our hearts, i.e., that is about
doing good unto others and ourselves, are true laws and must be
followed, but if someone failed to keep these laws, this is still no
reason for eternally damning them! No, forgiveness and love must be
open to everyone, even evil people, so that they too may have a
chance to become good!” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
Also this:
Jerome wrote:
“Besides, why don't God learn some humility? He felt offended?
Well, don't we all get offended? God has no reason to damn someone
forever just because he felt offended. Instead, man up God and tell
this man or woman they did wrong, and then help them become better
men and women again. Don't be an unjust fool and eternally damn them,
because that is evil. You can give them a prison sentence, but do not
eternally damn anyone. In truth, if you refuse to take your work
seriously and do not forgive people their offenses, then let me do it
and take your place, because I promise you to work for all eternity
for bad people's conversion, even if they are evil, because I have
hope that even they will and can become good again.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
You
wrote: “First, you always had a warped notion of sin thinking
that everything was mortal sin, including married couples enjoying
the marital act.”
Response:
I already addressed the marital act issue in this way:
“What
has been is different from what is now. But even so, no, I did not
directly say the marital act was sinful, only that excess was sinful.
But this “excess” judged by us was too much and we were wrong,
and I was also brainwashed by my brother, but I have changed position
now and when he moved out, I started to distance my self from his
influence. That is the truth with my position, and now I embrace the
teachings of Vatican II and Alphonsus on sexual activity.”
You
wrote: “If the sin is MORTAL (really mortal, not your
conception of it) and not confessed, you could be forgiven by an Act
of Perfect Contrition if through human weakness you were ashamed to
confess it.”
Response:
But if you don't have a perfect act of contrition, you would still be
damned, so what is your point? God still damns them, even if they are
sorry (although, not sorry enough, according to God). Hence God damns
people for nothing, and for merely being ashamed to confess a “sin”
that they perhaps don't even commit anymore!, if now actual
confession is a must, which it seems it is, at least, according to
the teaching of the old pre-Vatican II Church. And besides, a
perfect act of contrition is not even valid, unless you
also have a will to confess, which many people don't who
feel ashamed, hence that those of them would be damned anyway, even
if they had a perfect act of contrition since it would be invalid
without an actual will to go to confession. But according your
stupid position that is also illogical, they should still be damned
and this is “just” according to you, even though they are sorry
and are not even criminals in any real sense. Do you understand now
why I so often call your position stupid and retarded? It is because
it damns good people that actually wants to become better but that
are not perfect; and God is a dictator who damns people based on
rules that does not even need to be followed. If God changed his
ruler that are not sinful in themselves to break, more people would
be saved.
Also,
if God changed position on Hell, so would you. So
the argument that Hell is “just” falls flat with this argument
alone. God could
not change position on murder or rape, for example, for that would be
evil and even you would condemn God if he did that, but with Hell, it
is different, for Hell is not a good or just doctrine in itself, but
is actually evil; and that is why if God changed position on Hell and
this was proven to you, you too would immediately change position –
you blind, unjust and evil person!
You
wrote: “God and Hitler are not the same. Hitler is a creature
just like those he murdered. No one committed a crime for which they
deserved death. God is not a creature, He is the INFINITELY PERFECT
CREATOR. An offense that is committed against Him involves you
choosing to be evil and embrace that evil. You don't want to be with
God, so you have eternal separation as I explained above in my post.
Therefore Hitler is a criminal, but not God. One is a mere creature,
the other is the CREATOR. One is killing people because he hates them
(Hitler), and ONE is giving people the EVIL THEY CHOSE. hitler's
victims didn't choose to be be killed but the DAMNED CHOSE FREELY TO
SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM GOD. Therefore, God is just, Hitler is not.
There, I answered your questions Jerome, but you have not answered
mine.””
Response:
You say God and Hitler is not the same? False, we are all the same,
and we all originated from God, and we were all created in his
likeness, and besides, my argument was that they are the same in
relation to the crimes they perpetuated or still perpetuates, because
God, just like Hitler, damns innocent people who have made no real
crimes except for transgression against his own will. That is not
to say that damning criminals who are actually guilty of crimes to
unbearable and unmerciful torments (as Hell actually is) is just,
because it is not, but the argument is that God also damns people who
are in actuality innocent because they have committed no real crimes,
except for a possible transgression against God's own will! The same
with Hitler, for the Jews also transgressed his will alone, and
nothing else.
So
yes, they are the same, but you are too dishonest to admit it.
However, in a court of law, if a human acted like God and murdered
innocent people that transgressed some rules like Hitler did, you
would be forced to admit it, and then you cannot hide behind the
argument that God is just, for provided a human is guilty of the same
crimes as God is, you would readily condemn them, you hypocrite,
dishonest and blind person! That is why you condemn Hitler, but if
you were honest, you would also condemn God. Because God has no right
to be a dictator, or to be exempt from the same rules that Hitler is
judged by.
“He
is the INFINITELY PERFECT CREATOR...”
Response:
No, God is not infinitely perfect. How can someone be perfect when he
eternally murders souls that all could love, if only given the
chance? There exists nothing more imperfect in all eternity than what
God has done, and that is a fact. When all the damned converts and
starts to love, you will see this truth for yourself, you blind
person.
“the
DAMNED CHOSE FREELY TO SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM GOD.”
Response:
Even if that is true, that is not an excuse to eternally damn them.
And I have already addressed arguments of this kind several times,
and I did so previously here on the quotes on damnation and why
people may choose damnation, but what I explained was that this was
not just, since people are judged unfairly, because they are judged
without a body, and a human with a soul and body never wants to be
separated from love or goodness, and they certainly don't want to
live in torments as their life on earth abundantly proves, and not
only that they seek happiness, but also that they seek love in this life, for even
evil people do love others, although not everyone in the same way.
Hence even the most evil people have chosen love in life to some
extent, so love is not entirely foreign to them.
Therefore,
it would be unjust for God to let them (the so called “damned”)
live in torments even if they don't want to live with him, for it is
understandable if people don't like God, since he evilly damns people
and desires them evil. What I said was that someone else could be
their God, or that they could live on earth in human happiness
instead if we cannot get along, but I also stressed that I do believe
Heaven even is for them and that we can get along, provided God only
changes his evil laws of not forgiving them.
“There,
I answered your questions Jerome, but you have not answered mine.”
Response:
That is a lie, even if you think you spoke truly (your conscience may
excuse you, however). I have always answered every single arguments
of yours, which is why I even go though everything you write point by
point, but you, however, have done nothing of the sort, and you have
even ignored most of my arguments and comments, and even my articles
have you ignored almost completely, forcing me here to re-quote a lot
of text and post it in your comment section even though it is hard to
discuss in this way, which is why you have forced me to repeat myself
and re-quote my questions and arguments that in your dishonesty, you
avoided responding too, such as the question and argument that if you
were God, you would not damn anyone, but rather seek to cure them
and convert them, you dishonest person and avoider of questions and
arguments.
You
wrote: “If we all go to Heaven is it GOOD AND JUST for Hitler
to share Heaven with St Francis of Assisi??”
Response:
It is good and just to let Hitler go to Heaven and enjoy the kind of
happiness he deserves (and are worthy to obtain further in Heaven (as
we all are)), since in Heaven, I have prayed and demanded that there
shall not be any laziness, but also more merit to gain, because who
knows if there actually exists more evil God's somewhere outside of
God's so called foreknowledge and they also damn humans, angels and
souls, or even worse, animals and infants? Since this is possible and
since it is evil to take a chance on this, therefore have I both commanded and demanded
from them in Heaven that we must always be ready, and this means it is
important for us to continue striving for the salvation of souls also
in Heaven, so that other evil God's may not get away with damning our
dear children.
You
wrote: “How is it just for a mass murderer to get the same
enjoyment as someone who lived an angelic life? How does this not
lead to the inescapable conclusion that MORALITY DOES NOT MATTER. The
Ten Commandments are merely suggestions that don't matter.”
Answer:
Why are you so fixated on that it must or could be the same
enjoyment? Are you so evil that you cannot see that this murderer is
someone else's child too and that he is dearly loved by others?
Hence, the argument how much happiness someone gains or deserves is
irrelevant, provided we all are saved. No, instead, let us work in
Heaven to become more worthy if we died less worthy. And let us
always strive to become better person, even in Heaven.
And
besides, I would not be jealous if a converted murderer that is now a
good person enjoyed the same happiness as me or even a saint, for
there is nothing wrong with this. But there will always exist
differences anyway, because we will all have our own lovers and
special happiness's in Heaven not available to others, because that
is just how life works, as family life on earth shows abundantly how
close we are to them but not to others, and those you have been more
close to, you will have a more special relationship with than others.
And this is life.
But
even if someone is unrepentant in Heaven or is in a prison, happiness
must still be given him (and who are you to judge if God or me or
someone else wanted to give similar joys to those less worthy in
order to do them good or incite them to become better? hence what
others receive or feel in Heaven is none of your business really),
for without happiness and love, conversion is almost impossible, and
this only leads to hate, as Hell already proves abundantly. That is
why there must exists a prison in Heaven for the unrepentant, so that
they can see there is a life outside of this prison that awaits them,
and that there are more loves and happiness's to find provided they
are only interested.
You
wrote: “Do you believe Jesus Christ is God? Why did He die for
us? If there's no Hell, what did He save us from--if anything?”
I
also responded thus:
“I
will give you an answer from another article and person I spoke with.
This is my answer:
Someone
asked: “If there is no hell, Jesus came and died for nothing.”
Jerome answered: God only died for the Saved according to his
laws anyway, so yes, in a sense he died for nothing because Christ
refused to be truly universal and he lets billions be lost, because
they are “unworthy” his graces. Do you know what this might mean?
That the true Christ perhaps is yet to come, if this other Christ was
no the true Christ. Because why would a true God be selfish, and only
apply salvation to those who are worthy according to himself?
Salvation must be applied according to justice, and not on any
personal motives. And according to justice, everyone is worthy of
salvation, because everyone can love and become good and give love
[but this is denied by God to ever happen in his evil Hell].” (Cf.
https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
You
asked: “Why can't God just forgive Original Sin?”
Response:
Good question. I have wondered the same, and demanded that he do, and
I received a response that he already has. So there will be no Limbo
for the unbaptized. That is my faith and my belief, and in Heaven,
you will see that we are right, since this is the only just position,
otherwise, God would be a discriminator against them, and that is
clearly unjust, and I won't let him be, but I will let him answer all
my arguments about justice just like I do with you, and God will fall
if he is unrepentant or obstinate.
You
asked: “Is it fair to be punished with death for the sin of
someone else? (Adam). The same false notion of justice would demand
we never suffer at all for the sin of another. Why are we not just
created in Heaven in the first place?”
Response:
To this I will simply post my answer to your questions from my
previous article since it already addresses your questions
sufficiently:
Introibo
wrote: “Under your idea of God, DEATH is immoral. Why are we
being punished by physical death for someone else's (Adam's) sin? If
God brings Hitler into Heaven, why not just forgive all of us and
make us immortal without death? How can God let a five year old die,
Jerome/ Why not just make us happy without the pains and sufferings
of death?”
Jerome
responds: Death is not so relevant on earth since life continues
eternally in the next. Only what transpires in eternity, is really
relevant, since justice cannot be had in this life to a full extent.
But in an eternity and with the power of a just God that cannot be
resisted, justice can be had. Hence that the next life is relevant
more then this, because it is there that we will meet each other
again and live in happiness and justice.
You
ask why bring Hitler to Heaven? I answer: Because he can be or have
already been converted. That is why. If he has not, let him remain in
a prison or receive some punishment, or even be in Heaven, but not be
so liked by everyone and not be welcomed everywhere until he has been
converted truly, for then there is hope even for him. And when he
finally converts and become just like you and me, then it was all
worth it, wasn't it? Of course it was, because we are all brothers
and sisters and we must not despise those who choose the wrong path
in life, because we could have done it too! Hence that conversion and
hope in others betterment is the real truth, and not eternal
damnation which is actually evil.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2020/04/q-is-hell-not-unjust-third-response-to-introbio.html)
You
wrote: “When you don't understand and accept Catholic theology
Jerome, you just go from one crazy heresy (Feeneyite) to another
(Universalist) where beliefs and actions don't matter.”
Response:
I already addressed this lie where you lie and claim I say actions
does not matter. Actions do matter, but failing in life is not an
excuse to eternally damn someone and never forgive them, as everyone
who is but honest understands, because it is a better solution to
have hope for the damned and let them live in a prison in Heaven with
the possibility of parole, rather then always damning them, because
when others no longer can get hurt in Heaven, except for the
unrepentant themselves, then it only makes sense to forgive them when
they have changed and started to love again, because then can we love
them back, and they too have family and mothers and fathers that
desires to love them too, and therefore, it is only just to forgive
them and release them whenever they have been converted and become
good, so that they may not disturb anyone.
This
was my response to your previous claim where you also said that I do
not believe actions matter:
Introibo wrote:
“Wait Jerome--YOUR "God" doesn't think Hitler is bad or
unjust! He's going to Heaven the same as St Francis of Assisi!!”
(Ibid.)
Jerome
responds: “False, I never said that, I never said Hitler was
not unjust or bad, you unjust, blind dishonest person. How many times
did I already mention Hitler was evil, unjust and bad in my articles
and in the article you just read? Yet you lie or take me out of
context or misunderstood something because either you have nothing
honest to say, or you are just stupid and blind (which in fact you
also are).
What I said was
essentially this: If someone was evil and yet truly repented with
sincerity and yet a God or even you would not forgive him, you would
be evil and would be worse than even Hitler himself that chose love
in the end, whereas you did not by not forgiving him, you evil man if
you would not forgive him -- and for all eternity too?! Evil Hell,
apostasy doctrine of true heresy from all love and justice for sure!
And that is also why every reasonable person (like atheists and other
people and religious of other faiths and even Christians who dislike
Hell) do not like Hell or even contradicts it or condemns it!
Since you are so
blind to conversion from evil and forgiveness and hope even in the
afterlife because God has brainwashed you, let me remind you of what
I wrote previously to other people about bad people converting and
being saved so that you may not take me out of context anymore or
misunderstand anything.”
This is what I
have written, both about the devil, and Hitler:
“Why do you
think Vatican II moves away from this evil doctrine of Hell and
separation if not because they have started to accept true justice
and the law of conscience which desires and wishes good upon
everyone, including ourselves? No one deserves damnation, but
everyone deserves something better than eternal torments and
unhappiness, as even you know. For example, just think for yourself
how lovable it would be if the Devil himself finally converted and
become lovable and good and like a little child if he was only given
the hope and opportunity to do so! That would be amazing and great!!
The devil becoming our friend and lover from having been our enemy.
What happiness!, what love!, what hope!! -- To have hope and to be
able to be forgiven and loved always and for all eternity by
everyone! But with the evil doctrine of an eternal Hell and
unforgiveness, this hope would never happen and hence this doctrine
is the most evil doctrine and thought to have ever existed or been
created by anyone at anytime, God or man.” (Cf. https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
Also:
TraditionalCatholic
asked: “How could Hitler be saved? Stalin?”
I responded:
“You asked me how Hitler or Stalin (who is considered among the
most evil people who have ever lived) could possible be saved? I
answer: They can be saved and be happy and love and be loved and even
be good examples for all eternity in the next life by henceforward
always doing good and by having repented from their evil actions!
“And also, did
you know that according to a doctrine even you accept, God waits to
the last moment for a man's conversion? Hence, if they only changed
their evil ways before death and accepted their wrongdoings and
wanted to change their evil ways etc., God would have forgiven them
and saved them, and if their sorrow was truly sincere and great, they
would even have escaped purgatory. This is true Catholic doctrine
which you cannot deny, yet you ask me how they could have been saved,
as if you did not know this! TraditionalCatholic, stop being
dishonest from henceforward, and see the arguments for what they are,
i.e., that anyone is worthy of eternal forgiveness and love and
happiness, for when they convert and change, it was always worth it,
you see. For the same reason would you never give up on your own sick
mother or father or child or sister or brother, but you would always
hope, pray and work for their well being, and not give up on them.
For the same reason then, never give up hope for those who died in
God's displeasure, for even if this so-called God hates them and they
hate God, we do not need to hate them (I certainly don't) and hence
if we do, we will not be hated by them and therefore, we will more
easier be accepted by them and share our love with them, which will
not be rejected.
“You see, by
being open to forgiveness, anyone can convert in due time, even if it
takes eternity.! But this so-called God, in his evil faith on Hell
and unforgiveness, denies this possibility. Hence, God has denied
hope, i.e., the hope that the damned could convert (if it is now his
belief that they never will). But since I believe in hope, I will
always believe in hope, love and forgiveness for everyone and not
deny it like a heretic as this so-called Catholic or Christian God
does.
“In fact, what
would be more beautiful to behold then to see someone evil like
Hitler to truly repent in this life or even in the next and become
good and loving and caring for others, even being a good example to
others and of repentance and by doing good always henceforward and
for all eternity too? If someone was evil and yet truly repented with
sincerity and yet a God or even you would not forgive him, you would
be evil and would be worse than even Hitler himself that chose love
in the end, whereas you did not by not forgiving him, you evil man if
you would not forgive him -- and for all eternity too?! Evil Hell,
apostasy doctrine of true heresy from all love and justice for sure!
And that is also why every reasonable person (like atheists and other
people and religious of other faiths and even Christians who dislike
Hell) do not like Hell or even contradicts it or condemns it!” (Cf.
comment section of: https://against-all-heresies-and-errors.blogspot.com/2019/05/q-why-damnation-and-eternal-torments-is-evil.html)
And:
So what I said is
that salvation must be open to everyone, even Hitler or the Devil or
anyone else, because provided one believes in conversation to
goodness and never denies it, everyone can convert in due time
however evil they have been, but this is denied in Heaven by God –
and this is heretical.